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Post by waterjag on Dec 11, 2005 13:53:32 GMT -5
I know this is old news, but it still concerns me that I did not vote in the european constitution because it wasn't made clear to me (this is for france). I feel that I ought to have voted yes and that I did not, because I was a bit scared of having to vote yes for England as well.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Dec 11, 2005 15:26:59 GMT -5
Hey WaterJag,
Fortunately, I'm not up on my world politics.
Could you flesh this out a bit for a hedonistic Canuck? What you talkin' bout?
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Post by Shaelyn on Dec 11, 2005 16:21:57 GMT -5
well...I don't know anything about what you're talking about...
BUT, I have to say...you wouldn't have wanted to make an uneducated vote and be wrong, would you? even if you would have just-so-happened to make the guess you would now that you understand the situation, that doesn't change the fact that you didn't understand it then and could have made a mistake. there's no reason why it should bother you, you did your best for what you knew at the time. and you've learn and grown since then, that's what matters.
I didn't vote in our last Presidential election. I wish I was educated enough on politics at the time to do so, but it seriously would have been a shot in the dark...so it doesn't really bother me. I made the best choice I could have at the time.
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Post by Sáille on Dec 12, 2005 5:04:19 GMT -5
The European Union wants a constitution for all countries in Europe... countries will still have their own constitution but Europe will play a more important part in it. Right now they've dropped the idea of a constitution because France and the Netherlands (my country ^-^) voted "no" when they were asked to decide on whether they wanted a constitution or not.
Here in the Netherlands it was in the news a lot because now we could decide for ourselves whether we wanted it to happen or not... usually we don't have these referendum-things so we got quite excited when we heard that our decision would be crucial! Unfortunately our government didn't give the correct information and the only people who did give some good information on what was going to happen when this constitution was "okayed" were the people of some minor political parties.
I am not allowed to vote about anything yet, but I still looked into everything as though I was going to vote. I read the entire constitution and there were definitely some things I didn't agree with. Also, my distrust for our own government had reached its peak because they weren't providing us with any proper unbiased information. Therefore, I was (and am!) opposed to any sort of constitution and so I found myself trying to convince others of voting "no".
I was grateful for the overwhelming "no"-vote that followed these weeks of heated debate. The politicians looked stricken for just this once, the minor parties were celebrating, and we Dutchies finally got a say in what was going to happen to our country. ^-^ I think that our "no"-vote was more a vote of non-confidence towards our own government... but even so, we stopped Europe just a little bit in their big plans for the future.
Europe wants to be a Union more than anything. What they keep forgetting is that the countries in the European Union are too different from each other, with their own culture and everything, and so there cannot be a constitution yet. We first have to work on becoming a Union in which the countries agree with each other on the things that matter most of all (which is certainly not the case now) before we can look into some more drastic measures such as a constitution.
I myself am allergic to this whole idea of a single constitution for the whole of Europe. Maybe in the future it can work out, but certainly not now!
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Post by waterjag on Dec 12, 2005 11:13:02 GMT -5
thanks for explaining a bit about the constitution, I don't think I would have been able to do that, as my politics is below amateur level, and I can't read french that well. England didn't even bother to vote for the european constitution because the other countries voted no.
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Post by deedee on Dec 16, 2005 19:27:21 GMT -5
the swedes didn't even get the opportunity to vote, although I think that a lot of them/us felt happy when france and the netherlands voted for no.
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Post by cherise on Dec 16, 2005 23:14:30 GMT -5
Without knowing for sure, this sounds like a branch on the globalization tree.
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