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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 5, 2005 11:34:42 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
This doesn't apply to all the people on this board, but after reading some recent posts and topics, I just felt kinda compelled to write this. Please, no one take this personally, you should all know me better than that by now. =P
Being an indigo child does not mean that we are seperate from humanity, that we are better than humanity, or that we are somehow more advanced. It does not mean that we're here to save everyone, or that we're here to force our views onto other people, or that we have "special powers" or anything like that. Being an indigo child means simply this - you know something of faith, you see a better way of doing things, and you have the ambition to want to change the world to fit this vision of a better place. In fact, I don't even like using the word "we" in this post because there is no "us" and "them" when it comes to indigo children. We are members of humanity, there is no dividing line.
It seems like some people are forgetting that just because someone is "indigo" or "crystal" it does not mean that they're any more important than someone who is "Red" or "orange." It is wrong to judge and the point of being spiritual is not to seperate ourselves from everyone else, but rather see everyone as unique parts to a whole. As equal, in their own way. People on the lower vibrations are here to learn lessons just as we are, perhaps not the same lessons, but lessons that are just as essential and important to their own souls as our tasks are to ours. It is wrong of us to speak of how they might be changed or taught - they will change and teach themselves, that is not our responsibility, and everyone is exactly where they need to be in their own soul's evolution.
Do not think and think and think about this indigo thing - it's not important. It doesn't matter who we are, or who teaches us, or where we come from - we are human just like everyone else, and we all came from the same place, and we are all equal under God's eyes. There is nothing more special about an indigo child than there is about someone who is rainbow or someone who is red. We simply have different tasks. We are simply at different places.
I really hope that I see less "us" and "them" being thrown around, it is so wrong of us to have this attitude, none of us have enough experience to be saying anything about the other vibrations and comparing ourselves to them, because in the end, there are so many exceptions that not one statement using that mind set could be true.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 5, 2005 13:19:09 GMT -5
HI CM.
Thanks for posting your feelings.
I understand the desire to not feel seperated or lumped into one category of importance. However, we are here to teach eachother. Using the word "we" is totally healthy if used to describe positivity, love, and joy. It becomes unhealthy when used in a system of heirarchy, class, and status.
The HV board is set up into heirarchy. I want to be sensitive, but it's ironic because the good intentions of this board are set up with a reward system that create class labels. IE: Still sleeping, Awakened, Illuminator, Lightworker, Administrator, Moderator, and so on...
Don't read more into this than what it says. I LOOOOOOVE being here to discuss the growing pains in life, and just as we experience these growing pains in our private lives, we share them on the board as well.
I applaud you for wanting change. I feel the first thing to do is eliminate all the titles given to people here, and let them create their own.
Ultimately, the more control exerted, the more it slips away.
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Post by Caerai on Oct 5, 2005 15:30:18 GMT -5
Strangely I said something like this to DJgirlcherise on msn last night, so it's good to see the post.
One problem with allowing users to set their own titles however is i'm not sure if the PHP coding in this board allows it O.o.
On the subject of "us" and "them" perhaps people are throwing it around for lack of a better term, grouping the indigo's and grouping the reds, purples, or greens. A slong as it's not done in a detrimental "We're better than THEM" way I don't see a pr oblem with it O.o. Though I understand what you're saying and the heirarchy isn't very becoming of those meant to be in 'higher' vibrations, however you might jsut be here to learn that lessen, that just because you are what you are, doesn't give you a right to say they're wrong and be just like this ^^
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 5, 2005 16:01:17 GMT -5
CM,
Thanks for the post.
You know when I first started researching the Indigo concept, I think I was drawn to it because I saw it as validation that I was different than everyone else. Notice I said "different". Not better, just different. I don't think I ever thought that being Indigo/ Crystal/higher vibrational meant one was "better" than another. In fact, better doesn't really exist. It's ok to point out people's differences, but when you say your better than someone else just because their different than you doesn't really fly with me. Now, is this "wrong" per se, no. Am I better because I don't say one thing is better than another? No, it's just not what I prefer to do or try not to do.
I suppose labels are ok, as long as they are used to point out differences and not to rank people or things.
Kiva
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 5, 2005 16:32:21 GMT -5
Hi Kiva and all the beautiful people,
The craziest part about the labels, despite all the definitions, they still don't prove anything. Not one single thing. A person can call themselves whatever they want, and can be something completely different in a nanosecond. It fits right into every other superstition created to control or mystify the masses. People should have the opportunity everday to be an Illuminator, Moderator, or still sleeping hippie, if that's what that person chooses to be on that particular day. Why would anyone else decide this for me?
What has been most real for me on this forum, is genuine emotional effort to help share and invest thoughtful, respectful, and tangibly practical support for another person's wellbeing. So whatever floats your boat, I say go for it. But, I'm not going to hide behind another person's definition of what I am, no matter what book it comes from, or who's pulling the strings.
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Post by indigirl on Oct 5, 2005 21:28:27 GMT -5
Hey, thanks for your post CM! I agree with you on the use of the term "we", I think that it induces segregation, which is always unnecessary. And I will admit at times I have probably abused the term and separated myself from others. But because I think it's normal for people to feel lost, and instead of finding something that will help you realize that everyone is one and the same, people tend to instinctively pull away from the rest of the world, bringing unnecessary isolation. It's wonderful to embrace heightened spiritual awareness, and to use it to help others, but never ever, should anyone be judgmental, or assume that Indigos and Crystals are superior to other vibrations. Everyone must remember, always, that no one thing defines any of us. Yes, I am an indigo, and an actor, and a singer, and a writer, and a girl, and a friend, and a sister, and a daughter. Each one of these things makes me different from others, and that in turn makes me the same. Our differences are what relate us to each other, not separate. People constantly assume that to be special, it means you have to be unlike anyone or anything else. But think about it, how incredibly special is it to be part of something so huge and so unified, something that encompasses everyone and everything, every thought and every feeling? It's mind blowing. And it makes me happy to say "Yeah, I'm like her." and "See him? I'm like him too."
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 5, 2005 23:01:54 GMT -5
Indigirl,
Yes all humans are different, yet the same. I'm not sure I agree that "we" implies seperation. If the person is using "we" to mean all of humanity, then they aren't really seperating themselves or anyone from anyone else. If I were to use "we" that is how I would use it. Not to imply seperation but to refer to humanity as a whole.
Arya,
Yes I also love the sense of community here. There really is no bricking or name calling, just intellegent discussion on whatever topics get posted.
Kiva
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Post by jeremy on Oct 6, 2005 5:05:53 GMT -5
From what I understand, being an indigo is a stage people pass through, not something you keep being for your whole life, and I would rather define myself by something that is permanent than something that is fleeting and would require me to rethink my identity every so often. Two shifts in one year is enough like going through puberty all over again without having identity issues as well. Well, that was my thinking when I was a blue, so I chose to define myself as someone who is loved by God, since that was something that wasn't going to change, maybe my choice of self definition is why I keep shifting so fast.
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Post by CrystalMaiden on Oct 6, 2005 8:05:36 GMT -5
It's so wonderful to see so many people agreeing with me and the support! I was kinda worried about posting this because on a lot of other forums I used to frequent, they all held this attitude, and they all responded pretty nastily when it came to someone telling them they're not here to change other people. It seemed like a lot of them just wanted to be indigo because it was "cool" or "makes them special" and then would spend half a topic in the forum discussing how they're "better" and "more aware" than lower vibrations. I just kinda wanted to nip this at the bud and also have a topic here for all the new people (in the future) to read so they can get a general idea of not letting this stuff go to your head. Hehehe. Basically, I was not trying to attack different words but rather the connotations that some people use by them. It's pointless to discuss the word "we" or whatever because it can be used to mean 1000 different things, but I think we all understand what form of "we" becomes destructive. That's what I want to avoid. ^_^ You've all brought up such excellent points in this post, and Cherise - a funny thing that you said about labels. I've stopped considering myself any of them because, not only do I not fit into the indigo catagory nor do I truly fit into crystal anymore, I've realized that I as long as I try to define myself using these terms, people are going to make assumptions about me. I've already seen on this forum "Crystals are usually x and y" which is so silly because it really depends on the person who is crystal and what their life experiences are, etc. And of course, these assumptions are always made by people who have not reached that vibration yet, lol. =P That's what I got so tired of on other forums - people started talking about this stuff like it was some fantasy world, which was very... aggravating, to say the least. Oh and Arya, I didn't notice, but congratulations on Illuminator! :giant hug: =) Kiva, it is funny because when I first stumbled across the indigo topic it was because I'd felt different my entire life and it was getting to the point where I was having breakdowns wondering why no one else was like me. Lol. The indigo thing really gave me direction, but as Jeremy said, it's a transitioning stage. I think all of us have come here for that reason of feeling different, so that we can learn to embrace those around us without feeling so isolated. Again, thank you all for your thoughtful replies!
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 6, 2005 8:42:12 GMT -5
CM,
Yeah I don't really fit into the Indigo category nor do I think I fit into Crystal category either. In the begining, yes I fit the Indigo description, but not anymore. Also, I think if you use any label to define yourself, there is the potental for that very label used to define you to control you.
Kiva
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Post by Uriah on Oct 6, 2005 8:52:21 GMT -5
I can't say anything other than I completely agree with all of you. You've all said in some way or another what I would have said. It's great to see that understanding about labeling and separation. I know I've done my share of the two.
This is the only place I've seen where people aren't put down, attacked, or laughed at for thier ideas, beliefs, opinions, or feelings. It's great to be here.
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Post by shepardess on Oct 6, 2005 12:44:32 GMT -5
I too have been on other boards where it seems that the soul purpose of the board is for those on it to preach or exalt themselves and its not a pleasent energy for me to be around. Of course much of the reason a person does that is probably based on a really low self esteem, but its still hard to be around.
I understand your concern CM. But I, like Arya, haven't really been aware of that attitude on this board, Thats why I keep coming back:). Its so hard to avoid speaking with labels when the way we all communicate is with a language thats soul purpose is to label and classify things. I am so visual a thinker I sometimes have a hard time communicating in words exactly what I mean to say. I studied a little bit about neurolinguistic programming and it so interesting to see truly how powerful words are.
Indigirl- I loved your description of how you feel special by knowing that you are part of everything and the same as everyone. Its a powerful mantra I will definately use to connect myself with all the rest of the souls out there. Thanks,
Kate
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 6, 2005 13:38:56 GMT -5
Hehe, you know it's funny, I never really wanted this topic to be about labels, just about some people's attitudes that I'm catching glimpses of, you know, just a post here and there and mostly they're people who post maybe twice and don't really come back, but I just thought this topic deserved a place as a reminder. Or as a helpful hint to those arriving. ^_^ It always amazes me how quickly people change from the first day they post to maybe three weeks later, if they stay on the board. It seems like everyone grows more confident and comfortable the more they come here, I just want to keep it that way. =)
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Post by indigirl on Oct 11, 2005 1:59:15 GMT -5
Thank you shepardess and arya
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