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Post by indigophoenix on Aug 30, 2005 0:15:41 GMT -5
Lol....I have had about half a dozen brushes with death, but none have ever triggered an out-of-body experience.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 30, 2005 0:30:29 GMT -5
I had a very good friend in Middle School... he was the opposite of me - where I looked like a boy and got picked on for it, he looked like a girl and got picked on for it. Hehe, we were quite a pair. Anyhoo, his Dad had died a long time ago and his Mom had a near death experience when he was 9 - she was in surgery or something and flat lined. He said that she experienced rising out of her body and starting down a long tunnel, and there was a field that she could see and she heard music, then suddenly a gentle voice said "Go back down," and she blacked out. Afterwards, he said that she told him about having psychic abilities and being able to hear voices sometimes and experience clairaudience.
I don't know how much of it is true, but the guy was pretty reliable and told me it in cofidence (he said his mother thought she was crazy.) That's the only person I've heard of having a near death experience.
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Post by indigophoenix on Aug 30, 2005 0:39:53 GMT -5
It's pretty funny that many scientists actually acknowledge that these in fact can occur. But the "scientific explanation" is that what those people experience is their fear mechanism kicking in. One's brain creates the illusion that they are going to a better place because the brain cannot accept death and doesn't know how to let go.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 30, 2005 0:47:41 GMT -5
Wow, that sounds like they're clinging to anything that doesn't open up new possibilities. I always thought there was something up when science passed off the unexplainable as the "imagination" rather than digging deeper - to me that seems to be a backwards philosophy, we should be pursuing knowledge of all kinds no matter what the area, not based on preconceived notions and ideals.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Aug 30, 2005 12:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah, "science" is a bit like that. It's funny how "science" says NDE is just a fear mechanism, but the real fear mechanism is that "science" won't even consider otherwise. I showed my book 'astral dynamics' to an acquantance a few days ago. He's really into science and evolution, thinks we're just smart apes or something. Immediately after he started reading he says like "it's just a trick of the imagination" and I say "ok well if you really think so and want to find the truth, why don't you explore it, perhaps try projecting yourself?" and he says "why..it'd only be a trick of the imagination." He didn't want to borrow my book. That's how I see modern science... People just can't be bothered when it's "very easy to prove there's no such thing as a soul" (another one of my friend's comments).
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Aug 30, 2005 22:00:58 GMT -5
Newsociety,
Yes, modern science frustrates me in that as a whole it seems to have a spiritual/religion phobia. It's kinda funny that it does because I believe that as Einstien did that "Science without religion is lame, and religion without science in blind." In other words, science will never understand things completely unless they open up to spiritual explainations for somethings.
I've never had a NDE and haven't had friends or family that have had one as far as I know. I have however read about research that has been done on NDEs. I read about one lady who was having surgery and had a NDE. They knocked her out in one room, then brought her into another to do the surgery. This is very key here. Well, she flat-lined and by all medical knowledge was "dead". After "coming back to life", she explained her NDE. She accurately described the surgery room and where the surgons and nurses in the room were standing, when she was knocked out in a different room!
Kiva
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Post by waterjag on Sept 2, 2005 14:15:57 GMT -5
I am interested in near death experiences...but haven't had an out of body experience. I have expereinced tunnel vision whilst on marijuana (have stopped smoking now). And had a bad astral trip where I couldn't breathe and felt like I had died...
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Post by Shaelyn on Sept 2, 2005 20:02:38 GMT -5
...my boyfriend's mom died while she was giving birth to him...
she saw a being of light...and she also saw her Life Review...and she said afterward, "I'm such a bad person!" ...and she was told, "but you're not."
She said God told her she wasn't done yet, she still had things to do here...but that she had to choice to stay or go. She decided to come back...but she didn't want to...the love she felt was so wonderful...but she thought if God wanted her to come back, that she'd do it...after making sure she could come back to that place.
...and then she came back...the doctors revived her. She suffered from depression right afterward...she says it's because she had to leave such a wonderful place full of love...
I'm glad she came back...her son would've ended up nothing like he did...and she's become my best friend in a lot of ways.
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Post by Pearldancer on Feb 16, 2006 16:16:28 GMT -5
I know this is an old thread but Arya, I thought I'd post my experience since you were interested.
In my youth I was an EXTREMELY accident prone person (still am but much less so). When I was about 11 years old we were on a family vacation at some national park (can't remember which one) that had glaciers. There was a glacier remelt lake at the bottom. . . very cold and the most amazing color of aqua with little ice burgs floating in it. I was exploring some rocks that jutted out into the lake and just generally being a kid. . .poking at the ice with my walking stick. Although this has never happened to me before or since I must have blacked out because I do not remember falling. I was aware at some far off level that I was under water. Everything seemed very very very slow and I was surrounded with white light and felt completely at peace. I did not feel cold or wet or any other physical sensation. It was just peace and the beauty of this light that seemed to envelop me as if it was holding me. I remember thinking "I suppose I should reach for the rocks." and this thought came like a record on too low of a speed. ..it seemed like it took 30 seconds or more for the thought to occur completely. Then, in the same slow motion I began to lift my arm towards the rocks. At that point my parents had rounded the lake and proceded to yank me out. I will never forget what a rude awakening that was! The difference between the quality of time alone. . . not to mention the peace versus my parents frantic concern! Grin. Anyhow, I will always remember how it felt and the time gap aspect of it. I think it is easier to fathom God's omnipotence having experienced it. .. .and I will always treasure that glimpse of complete and total safety and security. . . . so far from what my parents thought I was experiencing.
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Post by pearldancer on Feb 17, 2006 18:24:20 GMT -5
Arya,
No, I did not see an entity or see the scene or myself or anything. There was only the light but it had a physicality to it if that makes any sense. It was beyond visual. That's why I said it was like I was being enveloped. I think that I must have only been under for a very short time despite how slow things felt for me. I just remember that I was very unconcerned about it all and just felt safe . . .and it was so beautiful. I have ever hoped since then that it will be like that when I die. ..no trauma, no fear, only peace and the feeling of being taken care of.
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Post by pearldancer on Feb 17, 2006 18:35:37 GMT -5
P.S. *completely off topic* your Be Zen line makes me sing Zazie everytime I see it. .. . "Zen soyons Zen." he he
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Post by Pearl Dancer on Feb 17, 2006 22:56:13 GMT -5
ouiiiiiiiiii! : D
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Post by muirrin on Feb 18, 2006 6:40:14 GMT -5
The only NDE I ever had was when we went down south to Canberra for a school ski trip... we were on the way down, I think we were on a highway in New South Wales and it was pretty late at night, most of us were trying to doze off... anyway, all of a sudden the bus swerved and jerked most of us out of whatever position we were in; I almost fell off the seat! (served us right for not wearing seatbelts I spose). Turns out a semi-trailer was on the wrong side of the road and heading right for us, and the bus driver JUST missed it!
No OBEs; just a nasty jerk back to reality! lol
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Post by Pearl Dancer on Feb 18, 2006 22:44:32 GMT -5
*last time I promise - off topic* "Un ananas qui parles! C'est IMposible" . ..(telefrancais) mais pas aussi bizarre qu'une Texanne francophile. ;p My French is much underutilzed anymore but yes. . it's a great love of mine.
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Post by musicman1 on Apr 10, 2006 23:47:49 GMT -5
The near-death experiences I experienced were both was when I was really little. I never saw a light or anything just a knowing that I was going to die if I didn't do something or did something, different experience, at all. Both having to do with fear.
When I was little I had a vision of myself commiting suicide by stabbing with scissors. This was like 9 years old, I was a screwed up kid lol. I was so afraid of them just sitting there. After I had the vision though, all the fear of death left me and I was in a state of bliss, unlike anything i've ever felt before. I felt like something died in me though, a part of me that was unconscious, I felt like I woke up in a way after the vision and realizing that I wasn't dead. It was like, I let the vision show me what it wanted to. I lost sense of myself and was completely wraped up in it, so when the end came, I felt like I was reborn in a way. Does that make sense?
The other one I had was when I was sick and choked on a piece of meat. I felt it get caught in my throat and I couldn't get it out. I had to take sense of my trachea and focus on it to expell it from my body. Your mind really races when something like that happens. But it seems like you only think of the right things, which is good. ;D
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