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Post by radaeron on Sept 25, 2005 6:48:27 GMT -5
Okay. I thought this was a little strange.
I've only been medititating for a very short time. But whenever I go to sleep I always do a very simple relaxation med. As I was doing it for longer than usual though my legs and arms went numb. Then eventually I couldn't actually feel any part of my body. I was thinking in my mind "Okay. This is weird."
So I thought I might have been reaching that sort of humming stage where your spirit begins to seperate. And so I tried lifting my right arm. It was entirely pitch black and I couldn't see anything, or hear anything.
But I could almost sense my arm had actually risen out as I thought to move it out of my body. So I tried to do the same with the other arm. Same thing!
Then I thought, okay.. well.. I guess I could try doing my whole body. So I made to try and sit up you know? As I did this though through my shut and darkened eyes there was like a rapid flourishing white glow around them o.o
So I imagined what my room looked like, and spun around. Thing is, at this point I didn't know if I was projecting or imagining my room on my own. Spun around looking at things I knew were there.
But as I opened my physical eyes I had the weirdest sense of displacement. Like "This wasn't where I was..." When I hadn't actually moved o.O;
Thoughts?
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Post by indigirl on Sept 25, 2005 14:41:50 GMT -5
Rad, it definetly sounds to me like you were projecting. I recall having very similiar sensations before during projections. It sounds to me like you reached the point where your body was asleep but your mind was still awake, which is very key to AP. Good for you! Keep practicing, projection can show you such wonderful things!
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Sept 25, 2005 20:55:49 GMT -5
I've heard a sense of displacement/feeling distant is a key sign of AP, so maybe you were. Indigo Pheonix might be better able to help you James.
Kiva
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 26, 2005 9:15:04 GMT -5
Okay, the numbness you felt throughout your body is quite normal, in fact it happens everytime that you are asleep. But to consciously experience it is a good sign that the actual seperation is not far off. This is where two problems present themselves. If you lose to much control of your consciousness (if your brainwave frequency drops too low,) you will fall asleep. And if you try to take too much control (if your brainwave frequency increases too high,) you will completely wake up. This is very important to remember because these two problems can end your A.P. experience at anytime.
It's hard for me to say whether or not you actually projected from your physical body, let me ask a couple of questions and hopefully your answers will aid me in answering that question.
For my first question, you said:
What do you mean by "I could almost sense?" Try to describe exactly what you physically and mentally felt during that time.
Second question, you said:
Please try to describe in complete detail, again what exactly you physically and mentally felt at this point.
Take your time recollecting, try to remember all the subtle things that you were feeling at the time.
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Post by radaeron on Sept 26, 2005 11:21:13 GMT -5
Thankyou for the post Phoenix.. Reading the first part of your post though it makes me think about the general experience. I know I reached the moment where I was conscious in my sleeping body.. But I think soon after realising it I may have focused too much on trying to deliberately AP. But I'll answer your questions as best as I can regardless ^^; As for the first one, I'm not entirely sure what I felt when I did it.. It was like having another different arm move up that wasn't my physical one.. I can't put it into any better words I knew my physical arm wasn't moving and was inactive. But I felt my arm move up anyway. After I did that though I think I thought too much on it.. Started trying to picture in my mind's eye what was happening as I couldn't see anything. As to the second question. After I thought, or sensed, or even imagined (I don't honestly know which it was) these new arms moving out and up I thought it might be an AP. So I willed myself into the center of my room, floating in the direct centre. And started picturing things around my room. I didn't physically feel anything. Nor could I hear, or touch or see. (When I say started picturing I mean trying to form what they looked like in my mind and put them where they should be) Mentally. I was struggling constantly between it being my imagination doing everything on the delusion it was an AP, or an actual one. I knew my body was on the bed. But I knew I wasn't in it. Or at least it didn't feel like it. Thinking back on it though I can only solidly think I had started to manage to keep my conscious awake while my body slept. The rest of it I don't know whether it was one or the other. The biggest doubt in my mind currently is the feeling of displacement I had was spontaneously forcing my eyes open and waking up my body. (Which is why your first part of the post seemed to make sense) Either way. I'm going to try to focus on keeping my mind awake when my body begins to sleep.
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 26, 2005 11:37:12 GMT -5
Okay, reading this post; regardless of wether you actually seperated or not, it definitely sounds to me like you at least gained control of your Astral Body. I've had experiences where I didn't actually project, but I moved my limbs around and what I felt is very similar to what you described. One experience in particular, I too attempted to lift my arm. But I became conscious during sleep, and actually thought that I had woken up. And when I tried to lift my arm, it felt like a second arm lifted right out of my physical one and I could feel them both at the same time. My astral arm felt somewhat different than my physical arm, the best way for me to describe it would it felt more like liquid than solid. Although what your astral arm feels like to you could be different than what I feel. But it's like you said, it's just very hard to put into words. As for whether or not you actually projected, I'm still not sure. You could have projected, or you could have imagined it, or you could have entered a dream-state. The only way for you to really know, is to practice and become familiar with the all those crazy and subtle feelings that go along with Astral Projection. I hope that helps some, and good luck with your A.P!!
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Post by djgirlcherise on Sept 26, 2005 21:14:50 GMT -5
Good advice, Indigo.
I'd like to ask you about flying in dreams, if you know anything, and if you've experienced it?
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 27, 2005 11:06:12 GMT -5
Ahhh good question. The meaning of flying in dreams is still a debated topic. Some people believe that flying during a dream is our subconscious' interperatation of what it "feels" like to Astrally Project. Others believe that when flying in a dream, you are actually Astrally Projecting "out of" the dream. In other words, you are Astrally Projecting from the dream state. While others believe that it is simply our imagination expressing itself while in the dream state. I myself have had only a few dreams where I personally lift off the ground and take flight, although I've had countless dreams where I feel like I'm flying, for example like I'm shooting through the air at rapid speed/moving extremely fast in a vehicle/etc. These types of dreams give me the exact same feelings as the few flying dreams I have had.
Regardless of their true nature, flying dreams are significant in a couple different ways. For one, they are one of the best ways to trigger a Lucid Dream; and from a Lucid Dream it is very easy to Astral Project. Or, for people like me, it is a very easy way to directly trigger in Astral Projection.
But anywho, that's my take on flying dreams, hope you found it useful.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Sept 28, 2005 0:53:01 GMT -5
Hi Indigo Pheonix,
Thanks for responding, and if you don't mind I'd like to pick your brain with some more questions.
So, when a person is astral projecting, are they supposed to be in contact with other energies, either consciously or sub-consciously?
What is the point of astral projecting, and what seperates the experience from a lucid dream?
Each flying dream I've had, is quite different from the other one. I know what lucid dreaming is, but I don't understand the signifigant difference between L.D. and A.P.
Also, do you know of any good sights to check out on dream analysis?
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 28, 2005 8:38:27 GMT -5
I understand that there has been an increased interest in the A.P. field, so in light of this, I will be posting a BASICS TO ASTRAL PROJECTION thread here, probably sometime this afternoon/evening, which will hopefully answer most of these new questions.
As for your question on Dream Analysis, to tell you the truth, I have yet to find any sight or book that can accurately analyse any given person's dream. They are so unique to each individual that it's probably about impossible to create a resource that fits everyone. My best suggestion is to sign up with DreamJournal.net This site is an online journal where you can record your dreams, and what it does is it lets you keep track of key symbols that appear in your dreams. This allows you to much more easily recognize patterns that occur, and hopefully helps you to understand them better. Sorry I can't provide any more info than that.
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 28, 2005 22:27:01 GMT -5
Sorry but I wont get the thread mentioned in my previous post put up until probably tomorrow morning. I slept longer than usual today (my first fullnights sleep in i don't know how many weeks) plus it's taking a little bit longer than expected. So for anyone that was waiting for it to get posted, check back tomorrow (thursday.)
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