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Post by Laurel Chaisson on Sept 24, 2005 14:44:27 GMT -5
Okay, seriously everyone, this debate has been going on for decades! I think it's a little silly, but lets see what we can accomplish here. So, what does everyone think? Remember that this is a community of highly aware people so keep in mind that every has a different opinion on what's right and what's wrong. ^____^ This is just for fun, anyway! Here's my point of view on this debate: - Creationists are taking the bible too literally.
- Evolutionists are being too closed-minded.
- Creationists are denying scientific proof.
- Evolutionists are denying the fact that there is no way to disprove intelligent design.
- Creationists are claiming that God cannot use evolution and are not thinking outside the box (for instance, six days to God might be hundreds of millions of years for us)
- Evolutionists are unable to accept the fact that God is beyond us and cannot be scientifically reached.
In short, I believe that evolution only strengthens the theory of intelligent design. In fact, all scientific discoveries could be inventions of a higher power. We have proven the existance of evolution (vestigial organs, changes in today's species, etc) but that has not in anyway made the world less wonderous! God, whether real or imagined, is possibly the greatest scientist of all, if you think about it. Now then, let's here your opinions! *loves intelligent conversation* ;D
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Sept 24, 2005 15:01:48 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Evolution isn't considered a form of Creationism. If the Big Bang didn't create what did it do than? Why couldn't evolution be intelligently designed?
I believe that both Creationists and Evolutionists need to give a little and try to find some middle ground. Just because we can now explain how a child is born doesn't make it any less a miracle.
Kiva
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Post by indigirl on Sept 24, 2005 15:43:11 GMT -5
I also believe in a combination of the two. I've always found this debate quite frustrating, for as long as I can remember. And it's not the debate itself that's frustrating to me, but the debaters themselves. Evolutionists do not believe that God could have been responsible for evolution, but they DO believe in the evolutionist theory. This would then suggest to me that all evolutionist are adamant atheists, because why would they devote themselves to a religion or faith that has a basis in which they do not believe? But there are plenty evolutionists that I either know personally or know of who claim to be Catholic/Christian/etc, and that they believe in God. This confuses me to no end. It seems hypocritical and just doesn't make sense to me. And on the other side, creationists DO take the bible way too literally, just as Laurel said. They believe that where the bible starts is exactly where time started. To me the stories in the bible are kind of like fairy tales (hold on a sec, don't think I'm nuts). You know how most fairy tales all have a basis in reality, they began from a story that became more and more fantastical over the years, from being passed on and passed on from person to person, and the stories we end up with could be waaaaay to the left of the first story. So who is to say that evolution didn't happen, and just wasn't in the bible the way it is in science books? It confuses me AGAIN. We know how Great God is, give some credit in the science department! Pretty much I guess it's about being open minded. People should try to wrap their brains around the word POSSIBILITY. That's where knowledge comes from, from exploring the infinite possibilities, and coming up with answers that you recognize as your truth. Whew, I really love conversations of this kind, it really gets my mind racing.
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Post by radaeron on Sept 25, 2005 11:09:17 GMT -5
I can't really find any solid ground on this topic.
I don't think it all just happened out of the blue with a big bang. Nor do I think it just happened with a divine being. I really do think it was a combination.
That's all I really have to say on it. Mainly because I tend to look in the now and at other people, rather than how we were made. I make up for the lack of curiousity in that point with a great love of current life ^^
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Post by jeremy on Sept 30, 2005 4:40:52 GMT -5
I clicked "a combination of the two" but for me it's kind of a neither-and-both kind of system. Creationists are denying scientific proof: ditto the evolutionists (for some reason evolutionists have an easier time covering up science that contradicts them). Both main views are too closed-minded. The recent appearance of large numbers of higher vibrational people is direct proof that there is more to our existence than evolutionists will admit. I suppose my opinion on this is best described by the phrase under Kiva's avatar: "Why shouldn't reality be stranger than fiction? after all, fiction has to make sense."
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Post by waterjag on Dec 13, 2005 8:19:57 GMT -5
it's evolution but, natural selection by choice, so one chooses their selection, like does the earth go around the sun, or the sun around the earth
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Post by djgirlcherise on Dec 13, 2005 14:50:27 GMT -5
Man's Evolution:
Fatherhood Understanding female energy within the male Waking dreams Astral Projection Patience Endurance
Woman's Evolution:
Ability to navigate along the Earth’s magnetic lines Introspection Solitude Expert swimmer through emotional waters Finding one way back from the brink Ability to find sustenance in barren landscapes Strength in the face of adversity Communication with Spirit Dreams Death and rebirth Transformation Creature of dreams, shamans, mystics and visionaries Defense and revenge
Human Evolution:
* Facing the end of one's cycle with dignity and courage * Death and rebirth * Spirit teaching * Guidance in dreams and meditations * Instinct linked with intelligence * Social and familial values * Outwitting enemies * Ability to pass unseen * Steadfastness * Skill in protection of self and family * Taking advantage of change
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Post by Sáille on Dec 30, 2005 14:34:32 GMT -5
When I was little, I thought that God clapped in his hands when he created the universe and that this movement was the "Big Bang" every scientist is going on about. I'm still fond of that idea because it unites both religion and science in a way.
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Post by Shaelyn on Dec 31, 2005 13:57:24 GMT -5
I always thought about that when I was younger too...
today...I kinda get the feel that God has no body parts...(which is why God cannot have a gender--the problem I have with Christianity), but, God is a part of everything. When It created the universe, It clapped Itself together to create everything! ...and that's how God is with everything, and everything is God.
...may sound a little wierd...it makes sense in my own mind.
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Post by radaeron on Dec 31, 2005 14:13:23 GMT -5
Not weird at all Shae! The idea of everything being in God and God in everything is pantheism. Many people believe that is true As for clapping itself together.. Well.. I don't know. But at least whatever happened went off without a hitch?
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Post by Dimensional Leaf on Dec 31, 2005 14:25:06 GMT -5
I like weirdness Shaelyn! To allow it in oneself is good.
Undependent on How we choose to see it, it will always be dependent on our perception of the impressions we get. So if you and I say "this, this is how it is", this will be what we see; it will make sense in our own minds, and it will manifest as what we call reality.
Just something to consider.
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Post by radaeron on Dec 31, 2005 14:27:49 GMT -5
Hmm. So we build our own reality by forcing ourselves to accept something? Or convincing ourselves to accept it? ... Interesting *Rubs chin*
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Post by Dimensional Leaf on Dec 31, 2005 15:04:12 GMT -5
Yes, Radaeron. We build what we call reality by what we choose to believe and where we lay our attention
Like, according to quantum theory, if you convince yourself with all your energy of that chair you are sitting on is leaning unstabely towards the left, it will be what you feel, and if your conviction is strong, soon you will find yourself on the floor beside the earlier perfect, flat chair. It will become as you think. It's an affirmation. I have read that whatever we focus on, the universe will provide us with it. It responds on every whim, to believe we have it is then the process of gaining it.
Jesus Christ said, “What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.”
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Post by pearldancer on Feb 11, 2006 1:00:54 GMT -5
couple of thoughts. .. .sorry if this is considered resurecting an old thread
Isn't it interesting that the smaller and the larger the scale we are able to see/comprehend the more we discover the same design mirrored over and over again in all "creation" (atoms and neutrons, planetary orbits and so forth and so on)
also, has anyone ever considered how much like a terraforming project the first chapter of Genesis sounds? Actually there are some EXTREMELY interesting comments in that chapter that it truly astounds me to read now. I can't figure out HOW on earth I went my whole life surrounded by Christians and nobody asked about them. (God apears in the plural, there is talk of the "sons of God" finding the "daughters of man" beautiful and taking them for wives - whew maybe Cain and Able didn't have to marry their sisters ;p -, all sorts of things.. .. but I digress)
Personally I do agree all around that nobody's got it straight. What I've always found extremely interesting is how much "faith" evolutionists place in their theories. .and I've always wondered what they thought the stuff of the infamous Big Bang came from? If you backtrack and backtrack where will you arrive? Where did everything originate. As far as I can tell evolution is another pretty little story we make up to comfort ourselves. .. based on what we can observe.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Feb 11, 2006 3:19:29 GMT -5
The best observations that prove de-evolution, are the studies of ancient Egyptians.
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Post by muirrin on Feb 11, 2006 10:13:35 GMT -5
The Ancient Egyptians are absolutely fascinating. I read an interpretation on their religion back in December and one comment really struck a chord within me. I'll quote it but I don't have the book in front of me so it's in my own words:
"They viewed bad deeds as aberrations rather than sins. There was no need to apologise to the gods, because their deeds had affected people around them. This negative act did not make them a bad person; rather it was simply a mistake on their part and they merely suffered the consequences, tried to make things right and learned from it."
And back on-topic: I love the God-clapping-his-hands theory ^-^ I'm more of a pantheist, and I feel that while there is truth in evolution and science, there needs to be more room for the spiritual side.
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