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Post by Laurel Chaisson on Jul 20, 2005 8:32:06 GMT -5
I've recieved a few questions about how drugs affect the aura/chakras and how this damage can be repaired. This is the reply I sent one person:
Yes, drugs can damage the aura and chakras quite severely. Since these chemicals affect the brain, they affect the way we create and manage our energy... some drugs create grey energy (a sticky form of sickness that weighs people down) others can make sudden bursts of powerful emotional vibrations like red (anger), yellow (extreme happiness or hyperactivity), yellow-green (fear, jealousy, or anxiety)... drugs can sometimes even make black energy which acts like a weight and create energies that can harm us in many different ways.
Although some drugs can allow you to access a less-frequently used part of the brain, they often end up damaging those places by making you force your way in.
Usually these things can be repaired by removing drugs from your body completely and discontinuing your use of them. The energies will take a long time to get rid of but at least they wouldn't be getting any worse. Through meditation, interaction with friends, family, and people who care, and taking good care of your body the blocks will soon be converted to more positive energies. It may also help to seek professional help... doctors, although they don't usually know that they affect the aura, work through the body and mind and heal the energy field in the process.
Accessing 'psychic gifts' will also come in time... at first it would be hard to experience anything but with patience these gifts would repair themselves and begin to fuction normally. As long as you're patient the abilities will return - maybe not to their full strength and clarity but if you continue your spiritual journey without drugs and other self-harming activities then the possibilities are even more broad! ^___^
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Jul 20, 2005 10:29:23 GMT -5
I wasn't dependent but I "experimented" every once in a while Though now I have stopped. Great info.
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Post by indigophoenix on Jul 26, 2005 4:57:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately I've been battling with chemical dependancy for a few years now. I never got into any of the hard drugs, but nevertheless I struggle with addiction.
You'd think with all that I've learned these past few years I would know better but it's a difficult battle. It is my most prominent inner demon.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Jul 26, 2005 22:59:44 GMT -5
ok so I thought we could have a broader discussion on the subject of "drugs." First I'd like to say that I'm not refuting anything you say, just curious for more input from you (and others if they decide, of course). I think it can get more specific, lately I've been trying to weigh everything and look at other ideas, research, and experiences. There are claims on both sides of the fence; one, that every mind-altering substance is inherently harmful, but otherwise that under controlled, responsible conditions it can be beneficial to use natural substances, maybe even only "certain" ones. Many people and cultures of the past and present believe(d) the latter. Is it coincidence that these things come naturally from the earth? Specifically speaking, I see a problem with synthetic drugs, drug dependance/addiction, and improper attitude towards any sort of these items...but what about the occasional mushrooms? Psilocibin mushrooms have been reguarded as sacred by many people past and present. What if these were administered under controlled conditions, very occasionally? By controlled conditions I mean the intent to gain spiritual insight, not to "have fun" or goof around as popular culture would like to make everyone believe. After all, good or bad, these things are not to be taken for granted. In speaking of negative energies, are you speaking of any drugs, activities, and attitudes in particular? If it is that mushrooms create "negative" energy then perhaps it is possible to weigh that out in relation to the gained experience? Would one "dose" of psilocybin mushroom every few months really slow down my spiritual path and/or psychic abilities? I either see that these are gifts from the earth and universe, or part of a trap. Would an effect from these on aura and chakras really prove destructive? After all, all our actions, thoughts, experiences, food intake, etc. affect the aura and chakras. So here is my essential question: If I were to administer psilocybin mushrooms on a very occasional basis (once a month at most) alone in meditation/thought and/or in nature, would you acknowledge that it will truly slow me down, even considering into the equation the experience gained from a session and all viewpoints concerning this particular substance and method of administration? an interesting find: here (click)thanks
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Post by indigophoenix on Jul 30, 2005 5:09:13 GMT -5
That is a question that will recieve a different answer with every person you ask. I have personally done it twice, several years back and have no intention of doing it again. I personally don't believe anybody needs to take "magic mushrooms," or any other hallucinagen for that matter, to aid in spiritual development. Here is a snippet from an article on www.magic-mushrooms.net that helps explain why: The processes that are triggered in our brain by the mushrooms (but also by LSD, XTC, 2CB, DMT, etc.) are actually quite natural. The substances involved are also made by our own body: like serotonin. Except that during a trip the effects are stronger. One can have similar experiences without drugs. Fasting, meditation, sports or simply falling in love have essentially the same function: to take you to paradise.I hope this post helps you out some. I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your life. Your decisions are yours and yours alone, but I believe you should do as much research as physically possible on a drug before implementing it into your life. And even then, always keep yourself fully aware of the immediate and long term dangers of that particular drug. Over the years I have realized that drugs take so much from you, while giving back little or nothing.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Jul 30, 2005 13:29:26 GMT -5
yeah, I understand. In a way I'm trying to justify occasional-rare use to myself...not because I want paradise to come out of it but because I think there is potentially a lot to learn from these little things still..
What do you mean, in particular, by take so much from you while giving back little or nothing? I did do "drugs" for a while habitually and that's what I see as the main problem (habit). Not saying there couldn't be more.
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Post by indigophoenix on Jul 31, 2005 1:30:06 GMT -5
What do you mean, in particular, by take so much from you while giving back little or nothing? I did do "drugs" for a while habitually and that's what I see as the main problem (habit). Not saying there couldn't be more. To answer your question, yes habit or addiction is the main problem. At least that's what my main problem with drugs are. I know that some people are just not very vulnerable to addiction, but others (like me) are. I generally have to be pretty cautious in what I indulge in(drugs or otherwise.) Because the worst part of addiction is that you have no clue that it's got ahold of you until it is too late. But in my opinion this isn't the only major danger. There is never a completely safe way to use drugs. With any given drug, there is a loss of control involved. Hallucinagens more so than most, because your emotions at the time play a HUGE role in the type of high that you will have. It doesn't take much stress to trigger a "bad trip." And "bad trips" can very easily become fatal. Let me make an example. Imagine you were in a fantastic mood and decided that it would be a good day to take a journey on magic mushrooms. Say the high kicks in and you're feeling great, but all of a sudden you get a phone call and find out that your brother or sister or father was just killed. Something like this would almost indefinately trigger a SEVERE "bad trip." Try to imagine what could happen if you yourself were in this situation. As I said in my last post, I have done this drug twice. The first time I did them, I became aware of the true reason of my existence. It was one of the most spiritually enlightening experiences that I have ever had. But the second time I took them, I had such a bad trip that I quite literally felt like I was losing my mind. I still remember forcing myself to go to bed that night, telling myself that if I woke up and I was still like this, that I was going to kill myself. That is how bad it was. Needless to say, waking up sober the next day was one of the biggest reliefs of my life. Now I used to get pretty depressed in my past, but I've never once considered suicide. That night being the only exception. This my friend, is what I call a complete and utter loss of control. Since that night I have never even considered taking hallucinagens again, I will never willingly put myself in the situation where something like that could happen. Sadly this isn't the worst thing that's affected me that invovles drugs. On Christmas Eve 5 years ago, my brothers ex-fiance was walking to the gas station to pick up some milk, while high on drugs. But she was so high that she passed out in the snow and was found dead the next morning. She left behind two children. Newsociety, all I ask of you is to meditate deep on this. Ask your heart for the answer you seek. Regardless of your decision, as long as you follow your heart, I will hold you and your decision in high respect.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Jul 31, 2005 2:19:57 GMT -5
yeah, just to assure you I highly respect drugs (not a newbie by any means), and am fully aware that they yield such great power. But you see what I'm after --> "The first time I did them, I became aware of the true reason of my existence. It was one of the most spiritually enlightening experiences that I have ever had" I know to minimize the possibility of a bad trip (low dose, no responsibility, proper surroundings, certain affirmations, going with the flow, etc.) the only thing I've been worried of is that actual drug use might harm our selves in some way...trying to measure the possible damages of a very occasional use against the possible enlightening uses... I guess in the end everything must be made from personal perspective I will keep meditating on it. I don't have any plans to resume drug use, we'll see how things work out. If I do continue ever, I'm sure it won't be habit, just a rare occasion..and perhaps I'll eventually find they won't be needed/wanted for anything at all anymore..
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Post by jeremy on Sept 3, 2005 3:18:07 GMT -5
I can testify to the fact that the human body produces mind altering substances of its own. I am one of those people who experiences "athlete's highs". I recently discovered that I have a very bad trip if I consume caffeine when I'm on one of these: put me off wanting to take anything to change my state of mind.
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Post by waterjag on Sept 3, 2005 9:22:44 GMT -5
I find that wehn trying to cleanse yourself from taking drugs, fasting is a very good option, and can be done safely for two days in a row with no food BUT drinking water or fruit juice.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Sept 3, 2005 11:41:42 GMT -5
You know, it's interesting.
I've been getting myself off pot for the past month or so, I only smoked it for a year but damn is it hard to let go of (I'm VERY prone to addictions, I've struggled with my food addiction a lot trying to control my eating habbits and also behavioral addictions, like I'll get addicted to the computer, to a certain place, to a certain person, etc. Those all count as excessive behavior.) I've only done shrooms once and it was only half and eighth, pretty much I just got the seratonin rush and a tiny bit of visuals but that was all, it lasted maybe two-three hours. Twice since then my boyfriend and I have made plans to do a full eighth (he wanted me to experience it at least once) and every single time something has come up that has stopped us. The first time we tried to do them the guy he was getting them from stole his money and ran out on us (yeah, what an asshole, and I was a little surprised that my bf gave him the money in the first place, we didn't know the person very well.) The second time we tried to do them, the guy we get them from was out on that weekend even though he'd assured us he'd have some (we have to plan it for a weekend that my bf's parents aren't home.) The THIRD time we tried to get them, the person couldn't find his stash. Couldn't find his stash!
After all of this, I kinda started to realize that maybe something was trying to stop me from doing a full eighth or experimenting deeper with drugs. I've read up on shroom trips and I wasn't nervous or worried about doing the full amount, I knew as long as I kept positive and reminded myself that it's a trip then I'd probably make it through okay, but every time we try to hook up something strange happens and it never goes through. Now I've lost interest in doing them altogether - I don't need to do them. For any reason.
All the enlightenment I've received has been while I'm sober, I really don't consider hallucinogens as sources of knowledge. This is why - when you're messed up, you don't know the difference between your ego and your higher self, you can't tell where the information is coming from except that you think really deeply and look inside of yourself. Having epiphanies about the person you are is different - I think that's fairly accurate like what IndigoPheonix said - but there is nothing to learn spiritually through doing drugs. The only way to become closer to God and raise to that level is to purify your body and be in perfect balance. Drugs mess with your head and your perception - it puts you off balance for that time that you're on the trip and for days afterwards as your auras and energy fields cleanse themselves. Haven't you noticed that people who do drugs regularly seem to have something missing from them, like there's just a weird, almost damaged vibe they give off? I've only just started hanging out more with my boyfriend's more-druggy friends and I personally can't stand being around them for long, they're so... out of it. Lazy. Unmotivated or inspired. Whatever it is that I sense, I sense it, and it definitely bothers me.
That's really why I'm quitting pot - because I see my bf's dad who's been smoking all his life and he has nothing to show for it except a solid addiction to weed and a drain on his pocket book. It really is like Pheonix said - you put so much into doing the drug, but what do you get back? An hour of being stoned? A few hours to a day tripping? I know it's fun, but where do you draw the line?
I think it's good for all people to experiment at least once with drugs because it really does open your mind to that side of life and you become much less judgemental of them - also, you're better able to tell just how much the government is lying to you. However, doing them repeatedly to me seems to be a waste of brain power and spiritual energy.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Sept 3, 2005 23:35:40 GMT -5
ah. I have cleared a bit, let me try to speak. When you take a substance, you are doing so because you want something better, whether that be a better state of mind, a better physical feeling, or whatever. You actually take something else because in essence you think it will do something better for you (otherwise you wouldn't be doing it), for whatever your own personal reasons are. When you make drug use a habit (stoners etc), you become reliant on something else to produce a "higher" version of your self and perception. But, higher conciousness is infinite and we can all achieve it alone. So basically when you "cheat" you are slowing down your own natural expansion by having something else do it for you. When the experience is over you will still have to progress forward by yourself. Of course concerning all of this, the more you make drug use a habit the more it will become a problem. For example, a "stoner" smokes before events to make the experiences "better." So they are ultimately at loss by removing their natural awarenesses from the equation of life. BUT.. I DO believe though, that drugs (natural psychadelics, (tryptamines?)) can be "good" in ways. They CAN and DO bring insight and motivation. I was ultimately knocked back on track with my life, my subconcious was opened before me, more worlds were opened before me, I actually did experience expanded awareness and awakenings. I know I came across these things for a reason. I'll say that I strongly believe that if magic mushrooms were forced (not habitually, just once or a few times ;D) upon every person of this world (not saying I'd do it, this is just hypothetical, ), it would become a much better place. BUT it stops when you realize that these things are not to be RELIED upon for further advancement. I like to see these things as nature's pregnant dogslaps (lol you can imagine what I said there before the filter got me). So, who wants to be slapped over and over again? No thanks, just enough to wake back up. I have noticed that people who make drug use a habit actually most of the time experience a reverse-effect, meaning...their minds begin to close, they begin to shut off, they become very lost. I can say that maybe it has all come together finally for me, concerning this issue.
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Post by shepardess on Sept 5, 2005 16:29:49 GMT -5
I have a more or less scheduled time once a year when my friends and i get together in the woods or att a festival and take some mushrooms. I don't think I have every taken the full dose and have only done it five times. i have had some very neat experiences most of which are brought on by the feeling of community that is created. I think , as with everything, that moderation is the key. As two taking them once month that too me is not moderatley infact that sounds like an awful lot. Even though they are so natural they can still be very damaging if overdone and will as Laurel stated cloud your Aura. CM, if you do struggle with addictions I would perhaps not try them. They are of course nothing that can make you physically addicted but if you have trouble moderating these kind of things you could perhaps stay away from. It is totally true that one can experience these effects without the drugs. In my experience the visuals and the mental stimulant is actually just looking at things from a truer, less tainted point of view. I enjoy the times that I have taken them, but I agree totally with your last post Newsociety, about it being a doorway not the pathway.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Sept 5, 2005 22:20:05 GMT -5
NewSociety, I agree completely! And I wish more people understood the difference between doorways and pathways, lol. =)
Shepardess, I'll take your advice into consideration - I honestly think that my experiementing days are coming to an end, drugs have nave really been fun for me even if that makes no sense, they're just a novel experience but nothing special. ^_^
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Sept 7, 2005 19:34:52 GMT -5
"When you take a substance, you are doing so because you want something better, whether that be a better state of mind, a better physical feeling, or whatever. You actually take something else because in essence you think it will do something better for you (otherwise you wouldn't be doing it), for whatever your own personal reasons are. When you make drug use a habit (stoners etc), you become reliant on something else to produce a "higher" version of your self and perception. But, higher conciousness is infinite and we can all achieve it alone."
Newsociety,
I think this is why I never really did drugs. I don't drink, don't smoke (cigrette's or weed or anything else like that), and don't do shrooms. I've had weed only twice and only about 3 or 4 cigrette's in my lifetime. I also don't like a lot of alcohol and don't drink what I do like very often.
Having said that, I have had very profound spiritual experiences without drugs like weed or pot. I'll post one right now.
On June 26th, 2003 I went to Schmeeckle (local reserve) to celebrate the new moon. It was around midnight. I entered Schmeeckle by the dorms and only went in just behind the shelter at that entrance. I did a meditation ritual and drank some Stash Triple Ginseng tea. After the meditation, I decided to go in a little further. As I began walking in, I saw things moving as if there were wind blowing, yet I physically felt NO WIND BLOWING!!! The plants in Schmeeckle were dancing full of life! I felt VERY connected to Nature and the Universe. It was as if the Universe said, “Hi, Kiva. How are you this evening?”
Well, that's one of my spiritual experiences while in Schmeeckle, and that was just with Ginseng and meditation.
Kiva
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