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Post by djgirlcherise on Sept 29, 2005 12:09:42 GMT -5
Jeremy,
Why do you say you wish you hadn't disclosed your gender.? No one is attacking any gender. We are just trying to discuss the differences, similarities, and what this means in terms of progress to reach a better understanding of the balance of equality.
Don't be afraid of anything, here. By forcing the issue to not go away, we are actually healing.
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Post by Shaelyn on Sept 29, 2005 12:17:34 GMT -5
First to make some corrections from my carelessness: Shaelyn, I was addressing that message to you about the quote, but, silly me, I didn't write that it was *for* you, and then I skipped ahead and wrote a seperate message to CM. Lol. It sounds confusing, but I was giving you credit for it Sorry for the mix up, you two! LOL, ok...thanks for the clear-up
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Post by radaeron on Sept 29, 2005 12:30:40 GMT -5
I don't typically tend to think of gender as an issue anywhere.
We all have a balance of masculine and feminine. We are all prone (as all humans are) to sometimes jump to conclusions or take offense, or get angry. The only thing you can do is hope you take something from it.
I'll definately say though I don't think there is any kind of "Typical" person. As everyone is entirely different. You need to spend a while with others to get to really know them.
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Post by indigophoenix on Sept 29, 2005 21:36:23 GMT -5
Yeah Luz, I completely understand where you are coming from and was very happy to see your reply. Your comment just caught me a little off guard and I did get a bit defensive and for that I apologize. If I would have waited a day, I bet I would have just passed it off as you simply not writing it exactly the way you meant, but I let myself get caught up in the moment. The way I see it, you didn't do anything wrong. I'm the one that overreacted and so I want to take the time to apologize to everyone else for causing an "explosion" in the thread.
^__^
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Post by jeremy on Sept 30, 2005 1:56:12 GMT -5
Jeremy, Why do you say you wish you hadn't disclosed your gender.? No one is attacking any gender. We are just trying to discuss the differences, similarities, and what this means in terms of progress to reach a better understanding of the balance of equality. Don't be afraid of anything, here. By forcing the issue to not go away, we are actually healing. Basically, with this "explosion" as Tom described it, it would have been much more comfortable if I could have been alien to the whole thing. But I am not alien to any feeling: an empath cannot be.
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Post by cherise on Sept 30, 2005 12:12:30 GMT -5
Hey Jeremy and all you beautiful people,
I think the "explosions" of feelings make the world exciting. They shake people up, get them out of their apathy, and force them to realize that there is change required. Everybody plays a part, and it always starts with the individual.
Hence, the idea that people should force issues, even if they are uncomfortable or politically in-correct. If done with a gentle hand and with respect for people's differences, healing can begin. Heartfelt thanks to all the gentle people of the world who respond with respect and love.
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Post by luz18 on Sept 30, 2005 15:06:57 GMT -5
Thank you, Indigo Phoenix I'm sorry again for the misunderstanding...
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Post by jeremy on Oct 1, 2005 7:13:20 GMT -5
Arya: yes, what you said about me wanting to be an observer is true, maybe it's the only reason this thread has made me uncomfortable. Cherise: I know that discomfort can be an agent of learning and personal change. I think the lesson I am learning from this thread though is not related to what the tension is about: I am learning the importance of participating in the flow of events, not being an observer as I would like to be.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 1, 2005 14:10:59 GMT -5
AMBITIOUSLY CELEBRATE BEING A PARTICIPANT WITH ALL GLORIOUS DIFFERENCES AND EDUCATE EACHOTHER IN THE TRUE DEFINITION OF EQUALITY.
BE GENTLE. RESPOND NOT REACT. BE ALIVE WITH LOVE NOT DEAD WITH FEAR. LIVE AND LET LIVE.
I LOVE YOU. A FAMILY, WE ARE.
Let's always show eachother the real stuff! Thanks to the FOREVERNESS OF LOVE for all of us to be here.
If I say I love you guys one more time, are you gonna hurl? Otay, I stop now.
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Post by jeremy on Oct 2, 2005 5:51:00 GMT -5
Hehe, no I won't hurl, I'm near constantly telling certain individuals in this group that I love them, and I also love all the ones I don't directly tell.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 2, 2005 14:51:12 GMT -5
Hey Jeremy,
Are you saying that you love me, even though you haven't told me directly? Because, if that's true, it would be the sunshine in my lucky day.
Hey Arya,
I like what you said in the second paragraph. As a result of something as inconsequential as nervousness, unfamiliarity, or even slight discomfort, people over-react. It happens every day.
I'd like to share my most recent example.
I was hired to dj for a wedding last night. It's only the second wedding I've ever done, and I'm nervous about them because people soooo over-react at these functions. The irony of the moment, it's supposed to be a gloriously joyfelt event.
The reception was great. The bride came up to me at the end of the night and expressed her suprise at the successful flow of the evening, which I had a great responsibility in achieving.
To understand this story completely, I'll say that the time built up to the actual wedding was not so smooth. This a direct result of over-reacting on everybody's part.
I don't know the couple that well, but it's a great socialogical example of the cesspool of over-reaction that happens all the time. I was literally sucked into their over-reaction of this single moment in their lives, their family's lives, and their friends. Everyone was effected. The irony for me personally, I will probably never see these people again.
I really try to check and balance when I put myself in these situations. For something as simple as two people getting legally married, people lose their minds...Don't you think it's unnecessary? Then I try to apply that theory to the more macro ideas in every moment. Why? Because it's constant. It's about owning your moments.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 2, 2005 21:03:17 GMT -5
The "mass effect" of people losing their minds and over-reacting, I would define as collective hysteria. I know that sounds harsh, but how many times have you seen people get hysterical over moments that pass and are forgotten about until the next headline appears?
Weddings are a perfect example. Big sports, politics, religion, gender equality... This list goes on.
But, it also applies to even smaller events. Road rage is one example. As if getting where you have to go 10 seconds quicker is really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of it all. It always comes back to the perception and choice of being in the now.
I agree, over-reacting is a primitive state of mind.
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Post by jeremy on Oct 2, 2005 21:40:40 GMT -5
Cherise: Yes I am telling you I love you. I like weddings, they are very happy events, but very nervous. I would go crazy if I went to one without "grounding" periodically. I agree being an empath is not always good, but I'm getting better at feeling the difference between my own emotions and other peoples', and that makes the gift a lot less distressing in certain times. I think my desire to be an observer is partly related to the "isolated indigo" thing, though I'm no longer an indigo, I do often feel like there is a fundamental difference between me and most of the people I know. Everyone over-reacts sometimes, it's part of being human. Maturity is when you know you've over-reacted.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 2, 2005 21:49:42 GMT -5
Yay Jeremy,
I love you too. If you could see inside my heart right now, there is a big warm smile that will always be for you!
I just want to add something to your brilliant last statement. Maturity is when you know you've over-reacted, and take responsibility for it.
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