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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 5, 2005 18:22:03 GMT -5
A friend of mine is going through a tough time right now and when I read a post he made on the Humanity's Team US forum, I couldn't help but think that if posted here some advice could be given. I was given permission to post this post. Here's the post:
I must say I am a little lost right now. I started to revise my plan and I have some of it written down and most of it in my head and it is beautiful. If the posts at the begining of this thread were a block of clay then what is in my head is the chisled masterpiece. However now that I have most of it figured out I feel I have nothing figured out.
I am lost within myself. I don't know what I desire to do. I have this great passion in me to bring forth a great change in this world and I believe my light can shine bright enough to light up everyone's torches. Whatever may happen by 2012, I believe I can lead us(the world) there in a way that will be beautiful instead of chaotic. I know my greatness. I know how close I am to what I call permanent enlightenment(be enlightened in all moments of your existence). I have always desired to take the greatness within me and give it to the world. To give people back to themselves. That is not an easy thing, but I know it is something I can do.
However this is where my problem arises. I don't know if I should act on this desire or if it is something that I need to let go of. Why should I let go of it? Letting go of it would be letting go of one of my strongest ties to the material realm which I believe will push me to a higher state of enlightenment. I am torn between this badly. I have thought about it and said well maybe I can sacrifice further enlightenment for a few years so I can quench my desire in regards to this world. When I am done I can just let go and continue my evolution. However that just doesn't sit right with me. It seems to be a rationalization.
As clear as things are to me these days, as much as I am in touch with the universe, this one issue has me feeling like an ape. I need to stop thinking about it and just let it come to me, but I can't for some reason.
I say this and I don't expect people to understand. Heck I expect for people to think I am crazy or think that I am having an ego moment, but it isn't. I feel in many ways my decision will ultimately effect the fate of this world. For a long time I have felt like I have the weight of this world on my shoulders. For a long time I have known what I believed was to be my destiny. Now it is here before my eyes and I am unsure. The philosophy of "nothing really matters" comes to my head. But I feel that it is an excuse to selfishly evolve. I don't want to evolve to spite my world. If I can do what I believe I can do with regards to effecting this world, I believe I should do that first then continue my desires for further enlightenment. That just defines who I am. However at this crossroads I am examining this. Is this something I need to let go of? Maybe I am wrong about this. Maybe continuing my evolution is not selfish and maybe there is someone else who has my same ability and they can bring about these changes and it will be perfect for their evolution. Then I say that maybe my idea that it is not selfish is just a rationalization in order to be selfish. Then I say that maybe me rationalizing that not being selfish is rationalizing being selfish is just another rationalization for not letting go of this material realm.
I know this. As strong as my desire has been my whole life to bring this greatness forth unto this world I have also had another desire. That desire is to leave this world. Nothing suicidal, but to go beyond here and to whatever is out there. I believe in ascension and I believe I can come to a state of enlightenment where I can master my vibrations to the point of shedding my physical body and existing in a energy body that can materialize into a physical body by choice. I don't believe I will ever die a physical death unless I choose to. I have the strong desire to ascend and travel through the universe. I desire to experience the next great adventures outside of this realm. I want to travel and discover...I want to explore all levels of existence in all the realms. As I write this a fire burns in my chest as my heart chakra is increasing it's vibrations. I just so don't want to be here anymore like this.
What should I do? Only I can answer this. Unfortunately this is such a great and deep issue within me that I am having a hard time connecting with my soul in regards to this. Sometime before the end of this month I am going to drive down to Ocean City, MD and just spend the weekend meditating on the beach with the ocean water crashing in and the stars shining away. I feel I need to have this getaway to figure out this issue.
This dillemma goes to the root of my being and I believe it is one of the few hurldes I have left to reach consistent enlightenment.
This may have been a waaaaay out there read for most of you, but I needed to vent this out so I figured I would share where I am at with this. It is hard to share things like this because most people can't even begin to understand it. Those that try often bring judgements and conflict. It sucks when you feel you need to limit what you can share, but here I don't feel that to the same degree.
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Post by CrystalMaiden on Oct 6, 2005 8:23:14 GMT -5
This is how I felt my entire life until a year ago. For me though, it was not leading the world into a better realm, but rather healing the world of all its pain and teaching them of a better way.
Kiva, please give this response to your friend.
If you serve a purpose, the purpose Will Serve You. There is no better path, trust yourself that whatever way you choose, it will take you where you want to go. Something they don't tell you is that we don't follow paths - we build them. If you have the goal and ambition inside of you to change things, that is the first step; now you must learn patience, acceptance, and discipline. Ambition will start you - discipline will take you to the finish line.
About enlightenment - it is an ongoing road. Having taken the first step already - feeling God in every second of my life and seeing God in all things - I've realized that to ever say one is "enlightened" is somewhat of a misconception, because there is never a final level. There is no race, and by pushing yourself you will be, in the end, slowing down your spiritual progress. The secret to expanding the soul is to flow with life, not push against it; you must embrace who you are and start loving yourself, because if you cannot fully love yourself, how can you begin to love all others? And if you cannot unconditionally love your fellow man, how will you ever walk with God? And that is what enlightenment is, after all - allowing God to teach you.
Be patient with yourself and enjoy these years of being a student, because one day you will be teaching and you will have the responsibility, and then you will miss these times of finding yourself. Study, seek, love, meditate, and ask for guidance. You will find that the answers will be clear one day, when you are ready to see them, and that is something that only time can prepare you for. =)
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 6, 2005 8:30:40 GMT -5
CM,
Thank you for the responce. Actually, my friend has joined HV (He's Evolutions_Son), so he can read it here.
Thanks, Kiva
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 6, 2005 13:44:54 GMT -5
Arya, that is so wise! I completely agree!!! *Gives you some Karma* hehe.
Just to reinforce your point, I've found the exact same thing on my spiritual journey. I don't seek to be able to leave my body at will or any of these things because there will be pleanty of time for that after I die - hell, time is an understatement, I'll have eternity to explore! It's here and now that I can change things, it's being on Earth where I can make a difference, and if I'm floating too far above this world, I won't be able to help anyone because I will be too far displaced. It's better to spend a lifetime helping others than a lifetime lost in prayer and meditation, though prayer is important... but you know what I mean, that's just howI feel.
I've grounded myself by selecting a career and going for it, and not worrying about whether or not I end up in a completely different place, because what will happen... will happen. I think the hardest step I've ever taken in my life was giving away my control to my faith, but it was the best thing I've ever done, because now I know that no matter where my road takes me, it is where God and my brothers/sisters need me, and that is what I find most important.
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 10, 2005 11:13:11 GMT -5
Hi everyone! This is Steve(evolutions_son) and the one kivawolfspeaker posted this thread about. I would to share a response I received on another forum about this and my response to it. Then I will make another post in response to the responses I have received here. I say, while you're here, do stuff. My guess is that this ascension thing ain't all it's cracked up to be. Plus, there will be no shortage of time (well, if there is time) to wallow around in bliss anyway. And soon enough you'll get tired of harp-strumming, and head right back to reality anyway. Ya know, that's an interesting problem to have. "Shall I ascend into Heaven now (without help from a handgun, noose or Kool-aide), or stick around here a little longer and get more done?" Steve, you are without doubt one of the most interesting people I've ever met. PS - But please don't ignore Heather's point. If your daughters are given a vote in all this, I sure hope they don't say, "Aw heck. Let'm go to Heaven." PPS - Sorry. I can't help but be flippant. (My dark side.) I've just never heard of anyone with this problem before. My response was the following: Thanks for letting me laugh about it Blinky!!! My thoughts are a little "out there" compared to most people. However I think it also is a different idea on what ascension is. I don't believe in Heaven as a realm, but as a mindstate. So I won't be ascending into Heavon. I believe ascension to be where one master's his soul's ability to the degree where one can literally shed his physical body and exist in an energy body. Also when your at this state of enlightenment you are more one with the universe then we could possibly comprehend. I believe if one chooses he could manifest himself to look like a physical being again, but I believe at this level of awareness there are other things that become more important. I believe there are many soul's existing in this form and they have their own "reality" so to speak. I believe that enlightenment is a quest that goes on infinitly so there are realms or states of being way beyond where ascending beings exist. So when I talk about ascension I am not speaking about walking around in a blissful state, I do that already most of the time. That is just a stage or level of enlightenment, but enlightenment, IMO, goes way beyond existence in this physical reality. I desire to fully know my potential as a soul being. The idea of doing both at the same time is not a choice in the way you mean it. To get myself to that state of being I need full focus and attention. If I am going to impact the world at a large level I need full focus and attention on that. Whatever I do I like to put my full being into it. Putting my full being into is the key to reaching such great heights. However something just came to me. What if my ascension is the great thing I can give this world? Look at how Jesus's death, reanimation, and ascension affected the world. There are multiple Hindu masters/prophets that have ascended in front of people that inspire most of that spirituality. However none of those experiences happened with the entire world as an audience. In our electronic age of being connected to almost all places in the world if I did ascend and it was caught on video the whole world would notice. Some may think it was some David Copperfield trick, but after a while people would know it for what it was. Maybe that could inspire change in the world. Maybe it could remind everyone what they are capable of and who they truely are. Or maybe my ascension will be used to create a cult with the ultimate ends of controlling the world. Okay...that last sentence was a joke... Paul, put your mental health shoes down I don't need any help. I am not crazy and if I am it is too late for me!!! Obviously I am at an impasse with my life's desires. One moment at a time and I will get past this. I love you all for just trying to understand where I am coming from with all of this.
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 10, 2005 12:34:09 GMT -5
First I just want to say thanks for everyone's input with this matter. It is deeply appreciated.
Now to dive into things a little.
I know my path is the path I am building and not a premade path that I have to find. My dillemma comes into play on deciding which way to go from here. I have two root desires within me and I can not do both at the same time.
I am very much in touch with God or the God in me, my Godself, the universe, or however you prefer to have it articulated. I have been able to turn myself over to it and also experience it taking responsibility and control over my life. It is like letting go to fully receive. However things ultimately come down to choice. I am pulled between these two desires and no matter what choice I make it will be the right one, however that doesn't mean I can just flip a coin and go with one of them. This choice defines who I am like every other choice does. I desire to do both and I am constantly trying to create, or become aware of, another way that allows me to incorporate both of these desires in a way that feels right to me.
Over this weekend I have experienced many things that have helped me with this matter. I was able to remember things about myself from when I was as young as 2, 3, & 4 yrs old. I even experienced myself before I was born into this physical body and in that experience I was able to get some basic information.
I now know that I chose this existence specifically to affect this world in a widespread global manner. I know that there was a specific reason why I decided to do this and it mattered to me. I am unaware of the exact details, but I was able to empathically pick up on the emotions and feelings. I realized that what I am going through was the realization of the reason why I exist(referencing just this lifetime) and with that realization I have the choice to go with it or to change my mind.
I could feel that it mattered to me a great deal to do this great "mission" and also that it was significant to the universe as a whole. It is hard to put into words, but I know the feeling deeply. I felt a few other things that I am not really comfortable saying, but I plan on trying to experience that connection again. I know that if I can get back there I can slowly get more detailed information which I believe will be essential in accomplishing what it is that I need to accomplish.
I have been thinking that this process of connecting to myself before I was thisself is nothing more then raising my awareness to a higher level. The more I accomplish this the more information is availablke to me. So maybe in order to accomplish this worldly task I need to focus on bringing my awareness, or enlightenment, to a very high level...possibly to a level where I can ascend and then remanifest myself. At that level I am sure I could accomplish this worldly goal a lot easier and it may be the secret to do so. I don't know, but I do. *sigh* I am just glad to be making progress with this matter. I am sure that by the end of this month I will have a strong idea on how to go about all of this.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 10, 2005 13:00:49 GMT -5
Good luck on your path, you are definitely a nuvoite, but then again, most people on Earth are. ^_^
Just remember that ascension is not a skill, it is a progression of the soul, and that the true capacity of your soul is judged by your capacity to love, not the skills you posess.
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 10, 2005 15:03:35 GMT -5
Good luck on your path, you are definitely a nuvoite, but then again, most people on Earth are. ^_^ Just remember that ascension is not a skill, it is a progression of the soul, and that the true capacity of your soul is judged by your capacity to love, not the skills you posess. I agree that ascension is the progression of the soul, it's evolution, but I do not believe that you need to develop it through love. I believe that evolution happens regardless of your morals. Ultimately a loving person and a hatred filled person can both evolve to the same levels of existence. However those morals will guide them on how they use their existence. There are evolved souls who use their "powers" for selfish reasons as well as one's that are selfless. I personally ground myself in positive morals, but I just wanted to make the point that you don't have to in order to evolve. P.S. What did you mean by nuvoite? I looked up the definition and the word could not be found.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 10, 2005 15:47:11 GMT -5
Nuvoites are souls that guide others to the light and try to fight against injustice; they also tend to be very ambitious and wanting to progress themselves and test themselves. Most people on Earth, despite what one might think, are nuvoites. Just not all of them are very well developed yet.
There are no evolved souls who use their knowledge for selfish reasons, because otherwise that soul would not be evolved. You cannot have one without the other. I would ask you to list some names for me of evolved souls you know of that have done selfish and horrible things with their knowledge, if you can find any. I think you need to do a lot more research and take a lot more baby steps in this, because it sounds to me like you're talking based off of philosophy and not experience.
I know I'm going to regret saying that pretty soon, heh, but I'm being blunt and honest. When you understand love, you will understand God, and until then you are in the same boat as everyone else. I can see you have a lot of ambition, and your heart is in the right place, but you don't know anything yet. Be patient with yourself, as I said in my first post, you will see with perfect clarity when you are ready, and that is something that only time can prepare you for.
Sorry if I was insulting.
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 10, 2005 17:16:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation on nuvoite.
As far as love and evolution goes, I just disagree with you. I have experienced and understand God and love and that is a ever growing and evolving experience and understanding.
One thing that we do as humans that we need to be aware of is our latching on to new concepts and experiences as the end all be all. Just because one finds a tool that propels them in their evolution does not mean that it is the only tool that anyone can use to evolve. To ascend one only needs to master the vibrations in one's being. It matters not if you are spiritual, religious, scientific, athiest, etc.
Now I have not conversed with an ascended master of the "dark side" or anything to that degree. I am speaking from a distinct level of knowingness. Love is an emotion and just one aspect of what we know as God.
The rabbit hole always goes deeper...
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 10, 2005 21:45:33 GMT -5
Hey Eson.
I'm at the end of a fantastic book that I can hardly explain. The Dimensions of Paradise: The Proportions and Symbolic Numbers of Ancient Cosmology. If anyone would like to post their birth dates, with each number added up, I can give a quick report of it's meaning in the divine prime numbers of the universe according to this book.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 11, 2005 0:07:59 GMT -5
3-The first odd, active or male generative number, and the first representative of fertility in nature. It is the number of the second stage in creation, the productive union between the negative and positive which follows the seperation and refinement of these opposite elements.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 11, 2005 1:18:03 GMT -5
I agree with you, Evolutions_Son, on all of the points that you said about ascension. But through loving something, you open yourself to it, and by opening yourself to it, you become more aware of it. For instance, I didn't feel God until I began loving God - then all of a sudden, God was everywhere. And I notice that on most of the sites that talk about vibrational levels and progression of the soul, the more advanced the soul becomes, the more loving and wise they become; and I do know that by studying the leaps and bounds that my own soul makes on this journey, that the one major difference I can see is that with each minor and major shift, I am becoming more loving and caring of people. I guess I came off too strongly on the whole "love is everything and nothing else matters" bit, I didn't so much mean that as the expansion of the soul does make one more loving, it is unavoidable, and the more loving one becomes then the more their soul expands. Yes, there are things such as understanding the vibrations, etc., but when you understand them all, you begin to love and appreciate them all, and by loving them you open yourself to them in ways where you feel the connection in all things. ^_^ It's funny when I think back to where I was seven years ago - it's like I went from thinking "God made the flowers" to knowing "God is the flowers." And I'm speaking from a distinct level of experience.
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 11, 2005 9:56:46 GMT -5
djgirlcherise, 01/13/1978 which added up is 39 which is 12 which is 3 thecrystalmaiden, I totally agree with you, but it goes further. Love can be used selfishly. Some may say then that really isn't love, but it is. Someone can love power and in that love for power they open themselves to all things and increase there awareness. It truly goes to an individual's desire. You are a loving person so when you expand and grow you do so by experiencing yourself at a deeper level, thus love at a deeper level. Your experience is right on point, for you. There are others in the universe that do not radiate love as their natural aspect of what we call God. As they grow and evolve they experience deeper levels of whatever aspect they truely are. The reason you find more people teaching that love is the way is just the fact that they have experienced evolving through love and have found that they are love and ultimately love shares. I am by no means trying to convert you to another way, that would be impossible. Everyone has their own way and they need to be grounded in it to be able to grow. However there is a level of awareness that comes to you after awhile. After you evolve and grow and learn who you are and connect with all the aspects of the universe that share your essence of love there is still more. Most people come to this point and are comfortable. They just relax and enjoy the bliss. However if you desire to see what's next, to go beyond where you are, you then start to become aware of the entire universe and all the aspects that you are not. At first this can be shocking to see and feel things that are just different then you. It starts to shatter the idea that all things are one. However if you still that fear you will come back to seeing that all things are one but with a new level of experience to it. That is where I am. I am the aspect of love as well. Love is the primary energy that radiates through my being. At one point not to long ago I believed that everything was love and God was love. All I preached was love. Then I came back to my strongest desire which is to evolve to an infinite level, to know myself for all that I am, to go beyond all things. This desire pushed me into a new level of awareness that I kind of explained very basically above. It continues to push me beyond what I may think is possible in a given moment. Now I expect everything in every moment and enjoy anticipating what's next. I am slowly finding another aspect about myself. I am finding that I am evolution itself. The speed in which I find myself evolving is so rapid that it amazes me everytime. The overwhelming joy is beyond expression. This is the first time I have actually expressed this aspect of myself to others and it just rushes me with mad energy as I feel my chakra's spinning faster and faster and my overall vibrations just increasing to levels that normally only are reached with strong focus. I am continually amazed at the experiences that are capable in this existence. I have felt many rushes of energy, some short and some long lasting, that all seem to be the greatest until another comes and tops it. The ecstacy of evolution!
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 11, 2005 11:54:23 GMT -5
Djgirl,
B-day July 26, 1983 or 07/26/1983 which equals 36, 3+6 = 9.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 11, 2005 13:07:49 GMT -5
This sentence confused me slightly, I kept going back to it, lol. Do you mean that I'll become aware of the universe in ways that I haven't before, or that I'll become aware of all the things in the universe that are not me? Because from my standpoint right now, God is everything and infinite, and I am an inherent part of God as is everything else, so technically everything and everyone else is also an inherent part of me.
Lol, I was about to go into a thing about what God is, but I just realized I don't think I could ever explain it on paper without people falling asleep from the length or a thousand questions on things that arent' quite understood, and anyway, people prefer to keep their own ideas rather than trust what someone else says.
I wanted to ask you something else - you say you've been consumed by this drive to evolve to an infinite level; might I digest this for a moment? You wish to evolve to an infinite level, well you are not going to reach that on Earth, because this isn't the only planet we're going to be on after this and you're not going to be here for a very long time. Earth allows souls to advance far, but we're talking infinite - infinite has no end. To evolve to an infinite level, it would take infinite time, so basically what you're saying doesn't make much sense to me, perhaps you can clarify this too. I don't understand why you'd drive and push yourself like this just to evolve - I went through that maybe two years ago, and now sitting where I am now, I would rather relax and evolve at the pace I am going to evolve at, because there's no race against infinity. Everyone is where they need to be at any given point in time - I'm not worried about my own evolution because right now I am exactly where I should be and pushing myself isn't going to make anything happen faster, just simply stress me out and perhaps block my mind so I can't absorb the things I am being taught. That's why I was saying you should relax and be patient with yourself, because you evolve much faster when you're relaxed and flowing with life. It has nothing to do with the bliss of love, I mean the bliss might have lasted maybe a year after it happened but it is more like peace and balance now. It's about flowing; it's easier and faster to travel with a stream than against it.
And Cherise -
9/30/1988 = 11/2
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 11, 2005 14:25:03 GMT -5
This sentence confused me slightly, I kept going back to it, lol. Do you mean that I'll become aware of the universe in ways that I haven't before, or that I'll become aware of all the things in the universe that are not me? Because from my standpoint right now, God is everything and infinite, and I am an inherent part of God as is everything else, so technically everything and everyone else is also an inherent part of me. Yes to both. When you keep evolving as the aspect of love you will come to a point where you feel like you are connected to everything. You will not only know of the concept, but feel it through experience. However at that time you are not connected to everything although you think you are. If you desire to keep evolving there is more. So yes you will be aware of the universe in ways that you haven't before and yes you will be aware of things in the universe that are different then you. This cycle is continuous, thus enlightenment is infinite. My desire to evolve infinitely has nothing to do with rushing it. It is just a part of who I am. It is the first desire I have experienced as a human and my strongest. I can't explain it's orgination in any other way. If we are all aspects of God/universe then I represent the aspect of evolution. As far as only doing so much here on earth you are correct. Other then liberating the minds of this world I don't have to many things left here to do. That is why I was having a problem which started this thread. I have my desire to evolve and my desire to help this world. My desire to evolve is stronger and I wanted to just ride it to ascension and beyond. However I now know that I came here to free this world so I will do this then get on my way. Once I ascend I believe, I know that I will be able to manifest my energy anywhere in any means. At the same time I will be aware of 100x more things then I am aware of now which will probably include where other beings live who are at my stage of evolution. Then I will be able to just go there, kind of like teleportation. By no means do I suggest for others to try to evolve at the speed I have been. Everybody has there own way of getting there, mine is just very fast. I believe I know why though. I think that before this lifetime that I already existed as a more evolved soul. I believe I was at the point where you don't need to experience lifetimes(life and death). It was at a level beyond ascending. For some reason I knew something was going to happen in regards to this planet, but I have the feeling that those souls at that level of existence with me were not allowed to interfere. Basically it was up to the people of Earth where their evolution took them. I believe in order to help this world I had to come into this realm's existence again which means I would forget who I truly am. I wouldn't be one with my soul and all of it's knowledge, experiences, and memory. In order for me to do this mission I would have to re-evolve on this planet. I would have to bring my awareness to a level where I would be once again in touch with my trueself. Basically reaching the point of ascension which then I could choose to stay here for a few to accomplish exactly what I feel I need to accomplish. This explains why I have two root desires. One is to evolve back to the existence I was previously at. The second is to free this world. However I will point out that it isn't the easiest of things. I believe if I am unsuccessful in accomplishing this change that I may have a hard time ever getting back to where I once was. I feel that there is only so much time left for me to get this done. And if I die before I can ascend I will then have to wait to be reincarnated in this world and again go through trying to remember who I was if this world still exists. I have a feeling that this is a one shot deal. For some reason I risked a lot to come here and do this. That is why I have decided to do it and not to just forget about it and just ascend. For some reason I believed I could do this and I risked a lot so I must honor that decision that I made. So ultimately I am evolving very fast so I will be able to accomplish this "mission" and to get back to my prior level of existence. Wow. I just got a flash of understanding into why I am doing this. Ultimately it is because of love. I cherished my previous time on earth. I have always been a passionate soul and I just experienced a flash of memories from other lifetimes. Experiencing being a mother and father, loving another human and expressing it through sex, bringing imagination through to the physical world by various means of art. Even the memories of great battles. Wow! Most of these memories seem to be from a long time ago. I just can feel them and it makes sense. In this lifetime I have sacrificed many of these things for what I believed was a higher purpose although I didn't know what it was. Now I know. This brings tears to my eyes.
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Post by shepardess on Oct 12, 2005 14:24:54 GMT -5
Evolutions Son, I have been reading this thread since it began and there was something a little disarming in it to me so I have been reluctant to comment. I hope that I can make it clear that I am by no means am I trying to start a debate with you or critisize you, but I feel that there is something very off in your path of logic relating to your spiritual development. I understand that urgency that comes when you begin to feel the higher vibrations. I also understand the feeling of importance that one is apt to feel once they fully understand thier connection to God. What scares me about your posts is the feeling of such intence self importance. I feel that your continued remarks about becoming a "Savior" and leading all the souls of the world to ascension is a dangerous way to think. Every soul is on it own path and It is my contention that no one soul would ever be responsible for the evolution of another. Even historically I believe that to be true. And perhaps if I am wrong, then I feel strongly that the soul who would lead humanity into salvation would do so unknowingly while trying only to further thier personal relationship with God.
It seems to me that a person who puts that much responsibilty on themselves unknowingly removes the responsibility from every individual soul to do the work nessesary to ascend and therefor actually hinders a souls growth rather than aids in it.
I also think that such feelings of importance will inevitably prevent you from advancing on your spiritual path, because as a person rises higher in thier spiritualality they learn that there is a pattern and a method to the seeming madness of the world and every souls path is unique and perfect. I also contend that becoming comsumed with the need to save may cause a person to stop focusing on thier own spiritual advancement and focus on anothers preventing continual growth which is the true path for all humans.
I may not have been able to descibe what I was intending to say a well as I wanted. Abstract thoughts are difficult to impart with language. You may not agree with me, but please do not take offence. I feel that on the path of ascension the last thing needed is a messiah. Ascension is an individual's process that they must go through at thier very own pace with very different specifications and even different outcomes but pertaining only to themselves. Good luck on your journey, and I hope with all sincerity and love that you find the answers you are seeking, Kate
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Post by evolutions_son on Oct 12, 2005 15:07:49 GMT -5
Hi shepardess, Let me address some of your concerns. Evolutions Son, I have been reading this thread since it began and there was something a little disarming in it to me so I have been reluctant to comment. I hope that I can make it clear that I am by no means am I trying to start a debate with you or critisize you, but I feel that there is something very off in your path of logic relating to your spiritual development. No offense taken. I totally understand and I am used to others not understanding what I am saying in regards to this topic. What you have to understand is this. I didn't tap into the higher vibrations and just start feeling this way. I have felt this way my entire life. I told my mother that I was going to save the world when I was 5. This is just something I have always felt. Also, I have been in touch with the higher vibrations since my birth. I have not always had the understanding of them because of the enviroment I was raised in, but I was always experiencing them. Okay you misunderstood me here. I said I was going to free the world's minds. That is a change in the current enviroment that we live in that keeps us out of the eternal moment of now. As far as ascension goes, that is my personal goal and what I will be doing. Everyone evolves on their own. People can help by helping them be aware of things, but ultimately it comes from the desire in each person. Right now there is a force that is purposely active in hindering the people of this planet from evolving by manipulating our enviroment. By enviroment I am not just referring to mother nature, but to the enviroment our socities live in everyday. I agree with this. I have battled within myself over this for many a year. However my unique path involves doing this. I have now come to a level in my enlightenment where I understand the balance of it. You can't control each soul to evolve, but you can influence a conductive enviroment for them to naturally evolve and you can also provide inspiration that renews their soul's desire to grow. I agree. I do not plan on being a messiah. I don't want to be worshiped and I am not going to preach that everyone has to follow a prescribed set of rules to evolve. Religion already takes care of all that crap. I have taken no offense Kate and I appreciate you articulating your concerns. I think you have just misunderstood what I meant and I may not have articulated it the greatest. Do you understand now? Or do you have any more questions?
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 12, 2005 19:15:47 GMT -5
This is... so wrong, on so many levels. Who are you to choose what will provide inspiration for a soul to grow? Earth is perfect as it is, how can you not see that? It's the hard times that make a soul evolve, not the easy times, where would be the lessons if there was not ignorance? And every single soul on Earth that has come here is here to evolve and pursue that evolution, whether consciously or subconsciously, failure is impossible. Everyone is where they need to be, everyone on Earth is an advanced soul believe it or not, you don't honestly believe a less experienced soul would risk coming to all this darkness? There's a reason why life is so hard even for ppl like us who have been here many times, life on Earth can damage a soul irrepairably if they're not careful.
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Post by djgirlcherise on Oct 12, 2005 19:49:54 GMT -5
CAERAI -1- Ever motionless and unapparant, regarded as a symbol, not an actual number. Druid Chant: "One is One and all alone and ever more shall be so". The state in which the universe existed before the appearance within it of two opposite tendencies. The beginning of motion and matter.
LADY A -2- URIAH - 2- CRYSTAL MAIDEN -2- The lapse from unity, the split between heaven and earth. The rivalry and mutual dependence of the negative and the positive and all other pairs of corresponding opposites. To act against eachother and seek reunion.
ARYA - 3 E-SON - 3 - The first odd, active or male generative number, and the first representative of fertility in nature. It is the number of the second stage in creation, the productive union between the negative and the positive, which follows the seperation and refinement of these opposite elements.
LIQUIDCHILD -7- DJGIRLCHERISE -7- Seven is unique among the numbers because it neither generates nor is generated. This means it can not be multiplied to produce another number within the first 10, nor is it the product of any other numbers.
RADAERON -9- JEREMY -9- KIVA -9- Associated with completion and limit because it terminates the series which begins again with 10.
If any one else has birthdates to give, please share. It would be great to discover the prime numbers that exist here.
LADY A: You're friend is a 7.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Oct 12, 2005 23:00:52 GMT -5
Thank you for the gentle reminder, Arya, sorry if I seemed to be getting too emotional, I guess I did take it a bit personally when Evolutions_Son said that about the messiahs. You are right, of course. ^_^
My apologies E_S if I seemed too harsh, I didn't mean it. =)
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Post by Uriah on Oct 13, 2005 12:04:31 GMT -5
I really cannot formulate my own opinion on this. I too easily see what CM is saying as well as what Evolution is saying. I understand both views, I can easily see from anothers point of view. From my personal experience I don't believe I have truly experienced God or perhaps have, only in a few fleeting moments. I can only intellectualize about it so there is no point trying to throw my view into this. I can say this though about perfection.
I contemplated the idea of perfection a few years ago and came to the realization that everything is perfect as it is. Because if it were different it would still be what it is. If a bowl dropped and craked or broke it would be perfect because it couldn't be anything else than what it is, now. In the movie: The Last Samurai, the leader of the last group of samurais is looking for the perfect blossom on a tree. He never finds it until the end of the movie when he dies and realizes that every blossom is perfect-perfection, it is itself and cannot be any different and if it was different it would be itself thus, perfection. The word can be changed to not-perfect or ugly as everything is not perfect. Because nothing is superior to another. Everything is what it is and comes from the same source, whatever you believe it to be.
It is the same for the rest of the world and for all of humanity. All things are different, unique, and perfect in being exactly what they are. I to share the feeling of helping humanity in whatever way I can. I have felt it since before I started school. I have felt that something was just out of place; I don't like to say wrong, just out of place. However, this is just me being me being perfect at being me. We all have our differences that make us unique and perfect in every way or not- perfect in every way.
Through this, our differences, it is essential to maintain equanimity and share and communicate otherwise our ego will surface and cause disruptions to the natural flow of life by bringing in (usually unwanted) situations and emotions that cause frustration and doubt. This very well could and I believe is part of the 'natural flow' of things/life but it just makes it easier to remain equanimous and share openly not expecting anything from it.
This was slightly off topic but may have come full circle to the above posts. Hope is made sense to someone. I could have just been rambling.
for cherise____the DJ GIRL! 5/29/1984 =11/2
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Post by CrystalMaiden on Oct 13, 2005 12:56:59 GMT -5
Uriah,
What you said about perfection is sooo true, I mean I guess that's what I keep trying to say about "Everything is exactly how it should be in any given point of time" because if it wasn't, well, that's just impossible because of the exact same reason you said about the cherry blossoms, I won't bother to repeat you. ^_^
That was very wise what you said, thank you for sharing. =)
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Oct 13, 2005 16:21:37 GMT -5
I haven't posted since this theard started, but feel that the time it right do so. I didn't want to upset people so I let the discussion die down a bit. Yes, I did see a lot of ego going around... and not just from Steve(E_S), but from others as well. I agree with Arya's post on respecting all paths and did see this thread as getting a bit emotional.
I do agree with Uriah and CM that every thing is as it is supposed to be. There is no need to rush... is that even possible if everything is how it's supposed to be?
Anyways, yes I do see both sides as well, and I know Steve's heart is where it should be as is everyone elses.
Kiva
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Post by jeremy on Oct 13, 2005 20:55:05 GMT -5
Ok, I've been asked to post my birthday here (I think it's in my profile anyway). It's 20/03/1984.
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Post by liquidchild on Oct 14, 2005 0:26:07 GMT -5
mine is: 04/07/1985
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Post by ladyarchimeades on Oct 14, 2005 4:37:53 GMT -5
Well it looks like I got here in the fourth quarter!? There is so much to comment about I'd be sitting here for days writing my reply...and to tell you the truth I don't think I really want too touch this topic as it is one fire!? So I think I'll just throw in my two cents and be done with it.
I think all of us get stuck from time to time on the whole ego trip, it is a stumbling block, pride, ego, vanity and yes intellect can be a stumbling block. Some people (meaning anyone) can be to intelligent for thier own good!! These are good qualities, meakness, humility, honesty, trust, compassion, sensitivity (to our enviorenment and each other), kindness, generousity, consideration, thankfullness, gratefull, righteousness, holyness and above all LOVE!! These are just some of the qualities of a holy "man or woman", I won't say "Messiah" but Holy Person/Teacher/Wiseone/Guide/Instructor yeah! But we all have to watch out for the David Koresh's and Jim Jones' of the world as they in thier own way are obstacles to our own elightenment!? These people or negative attributes are stumbling blocks and/or tests to see just how elightened we really are See?
E_S I have a little admiration for you as (I can realte to how you feel) and I think I understand where you're coming from. However, being in a situation with no where to turn and living with 30 some odd people you learn to understand people really well and it gives you a perspective as thier are so many different ideas and ways people see and understand things. You find yourself agreeing with just about everybody as one or another has a valid point about this that or another!?
E_S my advice would be to take a step back from all of this, give it a rest for a few months or a year, just enjoy life, live and learn, have fun, go on an adventure, take up an art class or some other creative means, trust someone you've just met and help someone you don't know!? Before the "new man" can begin to shine we have to dispense with the "old man" and his ways!? I bet after you take a step back and give it a rest, upon your return you'll see things in a new light, with "clear eyes" and a new perspective will present itself. You see sometimes no matter how far we may have come, no matter how advanced we may seem we get a little stagnant in our growth and forget some of these finer points, we forget about having fun and just living as we get all wrapped up in our endeavors!? If we go too long the "Universe" of "God" takes action, it may be in the form of ilness or an accident, or financial problems, but it's a solid conk on the knoggen with a "reality check" to get us ack on track and out of what's stagnating our growth!? It's just a thought, but I know when I took a year off it ended up being nearly three, but I'm really grateful a friend sugested it, I really learned a lot about myself, met a lot of really cool and interesting people along the way and had a heck of a time on my adventure!! ^__^ Part of life is too take risks, knowing when to take them is part of it!!
Maybe I'll post a message about my adventure sometime if anyones interested? URIAH.................this is so cool I think it needs to be on a teeshirt - "this is just me being me being perfect at being me"!!! I think URIAH should get a few (Karma Points) for that one??
To Cherise - (12/16/1963)...and do these numbers as well (1/4/2000) for me, thanks!?
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Post by radaeron on Oct 14, 2005 10:35:03 GMT -5
Birth date, as requested (sorry if its late)
11th August 1988 (11/08/88)
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Post by radaeron on Oct 14, 2005 11:37:56 GMT -5
I must add though, I'm curious as to why we're putting our birthdates here?
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