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Post by pearldancer on May 11, 2006 10:15:25 GMT -5
hmmmmm. .. .. if I can take that lizzard less specifically than you state. . .or better yet .. . a snake. . it is PERFECT. For the snake, for example. .. . becomes completely remade. ... the new skin forming under the old. . . . but must still spend some time . ..slowly making his way out of that old skin before he is completely free to exist as his new self. hmmmmmm very cool. I feel better now! ;D
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Post by Sáille on May 11, 2006 11:50:44 GMT -5
You know of yourself Who you are What you think You know of yourself That you are vulnerable
One day You'll experience What it's like To get hurt Because of who you are
Thankfully you are strong Strong enough To be someone else To not be yourself anymore The confrontation hurts sometimes
And now, after so many years, Of pushing yourself away You dare to get out of your cocoon You stare in wonder At the butterfly That was the caterpillar Now you can fly With your own wings
You'll run into yourself Really often
But remember
This is the beginning Of your real life
(Free translation of a Dutch poem I found on a site for highly-sensitive people. ^-^ I read the things about a butterfly and that's where it took me.)
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Post by liquidchild on May 12, 2006 2:58:23 GMT -5
I'd like to debunk the idea of images beeing related to words here.
I think the "metaphysics" of language are different to everyone, however may encorporate "normalised" (or shared) values in certain cultures and countries. This board is really international (atleast I think) and we all have our own metaphors which creates images in the mind (we are all visually creative in thinking). Some of the most infamous language conversions are famous to modern america.
For example this is african-american basic language values as of New York, anyone who listens to african american hip hop will recognise:
When I'm lifted, I'm high. With new clothes on, I'm fly. Cars is whips and sneakers is kicks. Money is chips, movies is flicks. Also, cribs is homes. Jacks is pay phones. Cocaine is nose candy; cigarettes is bones. A radio is a box, a razor blade is an ox. Fat diamonds is rocks, and jakes is cops...
I predict half of you may not recognise *every* line in that rhyme. But these words are foundation in New York I assure you. Is their metaphysical imagination of these words any more genuine than yours?? Well they had a different life experience though. Especially growing up in the ghetto when people drop beside them all the time.
(Big L - Deceased rapper (shot)), however one of best freestyle rappers of all time. The african american metaphors for the english language is one of the most interesting, as it is the most controversial and internationally known. They say the black man is the most copied in all of america, and all the world???
now thats some underground shit, but more known shit is like: car is wheels weed is herb money is "bling bling" a more humerous one is a guy about to have sex with girl, which is "jump daddy". Hehe, sorry it was too funny. Anyway.
It is obvious that everyone here reads words with an accompanying image in their mind that forms as they are reading words, that I think is rather obvious. Thats metaphysics. It requires creative mind.
I also think that the image is similar between everyone here, but sometimes there will be a big difference, as we are all from different countries and experiences.
There is more to talk about here, what images are popping into your mind right now? What about mauroboi's controversial statement about exploring the world? Or caerais about a teacher beeing upon us??
rahhH!!! so much more to think about, im out for now!!
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Post by waterjag on May 12, 2006 3:38:01 GMT -5
if a road wasn't called a road, we would not know what it was
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Post by Sáille on May 12, 2006 12:24:50 GMT -5
But we would know the feeling a road gives us... to not be capable of speech is for me not to exist. Even souls who roam outside of a corporeal form are capable of describing things and expressing themselves in a way which explains what they mean.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 12, 2006 12:40:55 GMT -5
and speach can be wordless
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Post by pearldancer on May 12, 2006 17:20:11 GMT -5
I think we know what things are all the time without knowing the words for them. Especially when it comes to experiences rather than objects. I also agree with where Brenden was going. . . . you know, something in me says that at the fundamental level we are all created based on telepathic abilities. Our use of language stems from that. . ..recognition of feelings and images. . ... .we can evolve language and do so continuously to meet the changing experiences of life. It is a very useful tool .. .but for every tool ever invented there was always first an understanding of the task at hand . .. .the process that could be benefited by creation of a tool. This creation itself underscores the previous knowledge and a former way of doing things.
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Post by maroubraboy1 on May 12, 2006 20:57:45 GMT -5
. hallo all,. yes, i am quite obvious.
i am of a large loose crew aged between 19-33 who travel, looking out for each other,who understand how this current population are and where it is heading, we have a nice pocket on this planet and have have aggreed on several places, and one main requiremnet is more guifted people, teachers, masters, ect ect,
i build crews. this is a reason i am in here. i am in these forums as well as other forums to trawl, and find who i find. i am excellent at what i do. no hidden adgendas, weird religion, sects,ect,....just... freinds of freinds. amongst my own, i am known as kingshit. ;D
i am simple, i dont like wasting my life. ive known of indigos and starchildren for years in reality. no-one mixs with the online ones that much. onliners dont adventure or travel, and its just an abservation guys. the ones that do are angels/devils. the one that travel and expirence to learn become human.
everything happens for a reason.
...for the love of life.....
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Post by radaeron on May 13, 2006 2:46:02 GMT -5
Hey eh, if I wasn't an Onliner I wouldn't travel I adore travelling, just takes me time to gather the funds. [And I totally agree everything happens for a reason! IMO there is such a thing as fate]
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Post by muirrin on May 13, 2006 2:47:35 GMT -5
^ second that. In fact, I'm venturing overseas next year on exchange... Spain, here I come to kick your butt ;D
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Post by Sáille on May 13, 2006 3:03:27 GMT -5
I completely and utterly heart travelling. I will travel in real life when I am older and when I have got the money for it. There's so many places I want to see with my own eyes. Right now, however, it is impossible to go anywhere which is further away from home because I am not allowed to travel on my own yet and because I would have to travel alone with my father if I wanted to travel to, say, Britain or something. The circumstances for physical travel are just not great right now. They will be in the future, so I wait for that. ^-^
I travel back to who I am at this moment. I have pushed myself away for too long. This is a different sort of travel, which is more difficult than any sort of physical travel I'll ever undertake. And I also travel as an Onliner, yes, because this allows me to contact people who are just like me and yet different all the same. If I weren't an Onliner I wouldn't have met people like Muirrin and Pearl and everyone who has brightened and is still brightening my world. This is also a travel of sorts, and I adore it.
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Post by muirrin on May 13, 2006 3:48:34 GMT -5
It's travelling for those who can afford internet but not plane tickets! ^-^
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Post by pearldancer on May 13, 2006 7:47:12 GMT -5
yeah. .. you know maro. .don't think you mean to but it really sounds like you're looking down your nose at folks. . .. we're all doing what we can and what is right for us now. Not everybody has the means to make it all happen NOW . . . that doesn't make em less than legit. Sorry if I make you mad saying this but I AM a very honest person and this is only one of many such comments you've already made. All of us here have a great desire to learn and if you have things to share we are excited and willing to hear them. We learn so much from eachother here and much is changing all around us. We know we are a part of an amazing transformation that is occuring and we are actively seeking to remember and to reclaim our heritage. If some of us are not or do not have the means to go about it the way you choose to, it does not mean that we embrace life or our purpose any less. I hope you will take my comments as intended. . ....arms reaching and heart baring it's contents.
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Post by radaeron on May 13, 2006 8:06:19 GMT -5
Well if anything I'd say online people travel more and have more fun. We connect to people in other cultures in a matter of minutes. Why only in December I went to Prague with people from all around Europe and America, we'd never met in person before. It made for more of an adventure than going with old schoolfriends in my eyes
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Post by muirrin on May 13, 2006 8:08:37 GMT -5
Now that you mention that, Rad, I feel the need to add our meds... we've been to the British Isles and Egypt so far, and am about to embark on a journey to Central America. I may not remember being there, but it doesn't make my journeys any less valuable
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 13, 2006 12:45:15 GMT -5
yeah. .. you know maro. .don't think you mean to but it really sounds like you're looking down your nose at folks. . .. we're all doing what we can and what is right for us now. Not everybody has the means to make it all happen NOW . . . that doesn't make em less than legit. Sorry if I make you mad saying this but I AM a very honest person and this is only one of many such comments you've already made. All of us here have a great desire to learn and if you have things to share we are excited and willing to hear them. We learn so much from eachother here and much is changing all around us. We know we are a part of an amazing transformation that is occuring and we are actively seeking to remember and to reclaim our heritage. If some of us are not or do not have the means to go about it the way you choose to, it does not mean that we embrace life or our purpose any less. I hope you will take my comments as intended. . ....arms reaching and heart baring it's contents. Pearl: Thanks for saying that. Maro: Reading your comments, I can say I don't think you mean to be talking down, but I feel like I'm being talked down to. I feel like I'm being told what to do, and that's the fasted way to get someone NOT to do what you're telling them to do. If you are willing to share ideas with us, I'm open to that so long as you're open to the idea that I don't have to follow your suggestions because they may not be right for me at this time or ever. I'm not intending to hurt anyone's feelings or anything, but just stating how I feel. *hugs with open arms*
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 13, 2006 12:46:17 GMT -5
Speaking of our Meditations, I would consider that a form of traveling.
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Post by liquidchild on May 13, 2006 18:41:14 GMT -5
I slept in my car last night is that counted?
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Post by Caerai on May 14, 2006 0:35:34 GMT -5
Hm, as for 'angels and demons' travelling, we're now onto otherkin, which is my Forte...;p Now in 'otherkin' circles, the body spends the years of it's life till it awakens being human, thus the education gathered in these years is equal to any other human, elimating the need to 'learn to become human'. The lesson of humanity is probably a more important one. Secondly, the correct term would be Angels and Demons. Demons are usually learned in place of 'devil' being that 'devil' is a Christian creation in the embodyment of Lucifer, a 'fallen Angel'. As for 'onliners' not travelling, well not all of us make enough money to travel, and keep in mind lots of people online aren't even finished school. Now education is a little more important than travelling around the world at that age, because with your education you make the money to support yourself, and thus travel around the world. Although you'll all disagree with me, in this world we need money to survive, unless you;re living in a village in the middle of no where that is selfsufficient and works off a trade and barter system. Anyway, without money you can't buy plane ticketys, and thus travel . Secondly, what about Astral Travel? Does this not count, or did you believe we were not yet at a stage to 'astral travel'. Everyone else has picked up on one of the things I first noted about you. You believe in yourself so much that you don't believe in anyone else ability to come close to the comprehendsion that you hold. At least not anyone here, you came here to 'teach' us and see if we are 'worthy' for your 'group'. Well I for one am not 'worthy'. If 'worthy' entails being accepted by someone i'm not willing to be 'worthy' even though i've been around for a long time and possess alot of knowledge. Though perhaps if you're testing us, which I get the feeling you are, I can test on in a little battle of 20 questions . Firstly, you mentioned you wrote the book on the multiverse, so i'll target the one, but not this one. Which universe is run of a council structor, and has 62 major councils, what are teh major councils, and who is the 'head honco' group so to pseak in this universe. What, so to speak makes this universe different from the one we are currently in. And is anyone from this universe currently in the one we're currently in. As for the understanding of 'current culture' every cultue is different, what you're speaking of is an understanding of the general overview of culture itself, and where the various effects and actions we take are going to lead us, as a culture. As for how long we've known about 'starchildren and indigos'....well i've been inducted in 'otherkin' for roughly 5000 different lifetimes, this lifetime I have been studying the occult for 10 years now and retain most of my knowledge from previous lifetimes, though not all of it. Though of course I don't really have anything to give to anyone... Just an observation on culture in general tfor you though Those that possess power seldomn admit it, and those that have a small amount of power will let everyone know. Sorry for being confrontational, I find you interesting ^^.
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Post by liquidchild on May 14, 2006 2:36:08 GMT -5
You must be a fast typer man
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Post by Sáille on May 14, 2006 4:16:17 GMT -5
I remember bits and pieces from the Otherkin as well, though I haven't looked into them specifically, and I was also reminded of this when I saw the mention of Angels and Demons pop up here. I know one of the Otherkin people and she is absolutely beautiful... Cae is right about the way they stand in humanity. Astral travel is something I am practicing with right now. Through our meditations/visualisations, but also through my contact with someone who is a little wiser when it comes to these things. I found that it is easier to travel without your human form than with it, actually... it's better to assume the form of an animal of the form of your own spirit.
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Post by Caerai on May 14, 2006 4:22:31 GMT -5
I can PM you some stuff about astral travel if you would like Althri ^^?
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Post by Sáille on May 14, 2006 4:24:01 GMT -5
Oh that is nice! I love to learn about it!
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Post by gemma on May 14, 2006 5:01:27 GMT -5
I can PM you some stuff about astral travel if you would like Althri ^^? Cae... I'd like them too... Please PM them to me.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 14, 2006 5:18:39 GMT -5
I can PM you some stuff about astral travel if you would like Althri ^^? I would also be interested in this info. Cae
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Post by pearldancer on May 14, 2006 5:38:33 GMT -5
Hey Cae. ... you gonna pm the whole group? count me in ;D
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Post by Caerai on May 14, 2006 6:27:24 GMT -5
Oh psh, I'll write up a post x.x that or we could all gather together in chat sometime, I am a fan of instant messengers x.x
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Post by waterjag on May 14, 2006 15:11:26 GMT -5
am I still breathing?
har har
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Post by maroubraboy1 on May 16, 2006 0:21:54 GMT -5
please excuse my ways,... i do try to cram as much in the moments that i am online , as it is why i am a notorious speller, it is as a scar. while going through my previous posts, i think i become a little abnococious(?) as my time ticks away at the end of each post. i will be more aware of this in future. i dont have long online as it is an adventure. i take nothing back, though, i will explain myself in a little better detail than trying to do what i think end up as oneline quotes within detail that i thought was comprehensable. again,... please excuse my ways, my posts are well intended within my own mind. i seems that you guys enjoy my presence i seem to enjoy yours too...
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Post by Caerai on May 16, 2006 3:27:21 GMT -5
It's fine . I find you comprehensable, i'm just interested in your ideas . I just quote your posts so everyone knows what i'm talking about ;P.
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