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Post by maroubraboy1 on May 9, 2006 3:19:29 GMT -5
hallo all... i have been here for ages, though to explain myself i will say this.... if i called this place a name, it would lose its meaning, the value is still there. i did enough to get here to understand it. i can will tell you my first thought of what i did call it..... .ORDINARY. cycles are meant to be achived twice, untill you have achived it twice. "doing it" twice doesnt get you there. ....if i were to go to heaven, what would i call heaven while im their.... i would call it home. mmm i hope i didnt just murder my own thread.... oh fudge.
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Post by liquidchild on May 9, 2006 5:41:50 GMT -5
what should have a name, life/earth/home etc, or indigo/crystal.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 9, 2006 8:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by radaeron on May 9, 2006 12:26:53 GMT -5
Things are only named for the purpose that we can recognise them.
Would you rather normal conversation went thusly?
1: Hey let's go to that place in town. 2: Oh the place with the curly fries? 1: No the place with the milkshakes. 2: At the top of town? 1: No no! The place in the middle of town with milkshakes! 2: Oh where they sell bagles? 1: NO! UGH!
Labels are not a necessity, but they make things a loooot easier.
I've got to say though, whatever you're on about cycles, I have no idea. I don't really understand what you're trying to say.
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Post by pearldancer on May 9, 2006 12:43:38 GMT -5
where is waterjag when we need him? ;D Jacques! Viens nous faire comprende s'il te plait!
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Post by radaeron on May 9, 2006 12:44:50 GMT -5
where is waterjag when we need him? Whats all this we stuff? ;D
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Post by pearldancer on May 9, 2006 12:49:08 GMT -5
Well EXUSE me! I thought you had expressed bewilderment. . . .. thus the "we" since that makes at least two of us! ;D
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Post by radaeron on May 9, 2006 12:54:59 GMT -5
I'm confused sure. But whats to say waterjag could understand ^__^ I would rather wait for our newfound member and poster to explain
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Post by pearldancer on May 9, 2006 13:19:48 GMT -5
@ Rad
ahh well, yes of course, to hear it from the original source is best. ... however pending that. . . waterjag is inarguably the source par excellence round these parts when it comes to brain boggling.
@ Jaques N'est ce pas M. le Secret? ; )
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Post by gemma on May 9, 2006 13:38:54 GMT -5
Well, thankyou Muirrin! And what about me? ;D ;D I think I know what maroubraboy means. We should name this place, this forum. No, not simply add a name such as "Higer-Vibrational Forum" We would need a special name which holds the essence of the meaning of this place for us. But then again if we give a name to our place, it will loose (Jézusúristen, nem igaz, hogy itt senki se tud magyarul, legalább egy kicsit) some things, 'cause a name always categorizes and does give only a little place for imaginaton.
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Post by gemma on May 9, 2006 13:49:00 GMT -5
Pheeew. That was hard. (Oh, God, why have you mixed up all the languages by Babel?!)
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Post by radaeron on May 9, 2006 14:16:06 GMT -5
Hmm.. I don't think naming something makes it lose things. When you were named as a newborn baby, did you lose something? Well.. anonmity perhaps..
"A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet"
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Post by gemma on May 9, 2006 15:18:50 GMT -5
I disagree. Most of our words are painting the meanings of the words. A rose is a rose, not a cabbage.
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Post by radaeron on May 9, 2006 15:31:49 GMT -5
"Most of our words are painting the meanings of the words."
I'm not quite sure I follow you.. Could you perhaps elaborate for me? I'm confused because it partly seems like you agree with my earlier post [Named to recognise] and partly something else..
If I said the following: A rose is a rosa. A ros is a roos.
Would you agree or disagree? They all mean exactly the same word. Language simply slaps labels on things so we can recognise them, and show them to others. Albeit whether we label the plant a rose, or simply label it with description, as a red-petalled flower.
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Post by muirrin on May 9, 2006 18:25:20 GMT -5
Well, thankyou Muirrin! And what about me? ;D ;D Well I know I don't remember coming on but.... DARN THAT EVIL TWIN OF MINE!!! As for the current conversation, of course a rose by any other name will smell as sweet... it's just that humans don't like anything to change too suddenly. If it's gradual, they barely even notice until things are noticeably different. Yet they become comfortable with the security of old traditions... so while to some extent they have thought about the quote (most likely a few seconds of thinking, from my class' experience with Shakespeare) they simply don't think it's important. I agree that labels make things a lot easier. It's just that people take it too far.
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Post by musicman on May 9, 2006 22:48:41 GMT -5
I think names are concrete. I know old world chinese names were thought about by parents to their children by how the combination of sounds might impact their childs life. The name itself produces a wave and feeling, so it was highly important to choose the correct one.
When a person hears a world, I would say that they are using relation to the confidence of knowing what the other person is talking about. The words are acceptable by many people. I think that we gain knowledge by taking things for granted many times, and by just accepting what has been the norm.
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Post by radaeron on May 10, 2006 10:27:59 GMT -5
Hm. I think we create knowledge in this respect.
It is not as if what we call a rose, will smack us in the face and tell us its infact called a chazzleshang. All countries and peoples have different words for the same object. It simply helps us direct our thoughts with more ease.
We invented language. We saw a funny red plant and called it a rose.
To those who feels words take away meaning and distort the truth, you are entitled to that opinion. But it means you will act in a philosophical manner of a Phenomenalist. A Phenomenalist would .. well here's an example: Person: Hey do you see that watermelon? Phenom.: I think what you mean to say is 'Do you see that green-yellow striped circular set of sense perceptions?'
As much fun as it might be to nitpick at language, its simply far too useful of a tool for life.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 10, 2006 10:45:51 GMT -5
Again, this thread reminds me of the Knowledge vs. Language being reality discussion I had while in one of my english classes. So . . . which is reality? Do we create knowledge through language or do we create language through knowledge? Does it matter?
I think the name of this forum does in fact fit the very essence of the forum, and as such does not need to be changed.
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Post by waterjag on May 10, 2006 12:58:59 GMT -5
so this forum thing...should I redefine that sentence to 'so this forum' maybe even, 'so this'
No comment on brain boggling
While I am here, let me greet maroubraboy Welcome to these boards they are pro, and the founder is great. At the moment they present themselves as invaluable source of information on remote viewing in all forms, past present, and maybe even future (can't wait till I actually travel the world). From my experience, this place makes me want to stop nearly every day.
best wishes WaterJAG
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Post by waterjag on May 10, 2006 13:07:57 GMT -5
cycles mean the development of things, such as wisdom moves in a cycle that was introduced through planting many seeds or ideals. So the cycles grow unto themselves and develop of their own accord until eventually they produce their own new cycle. When a cycle swings way again to produce a new cycle...Well some say that we can be in that moment, and others say that we can let ourselves drift through that moment depending on the cycle.
I will finish with a quote from the Book of the Way by Lao Tzu 'The name that can be named is not the eternal name...naming is the origin of all particular things.'
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Post by Caerai on May 11, 2006 1:00:58 GMT -5
My turn to be boggling o.o A name is basically something we use to label and explain another thing or event, if we change this name the event remains the same but the event becomes different. Things only seem like their name because your brain associates that thing to the name, for example you would have a hard time picturing a rose if it was a cabbage because you already know that it is not a cabbage it is a rose. So technically any rose called cabbage that you see will in turn be a rose with the name cabbage, not really changing itself or it's value in any way just making it possible for your brain to process an event action or item in order for you to take an action or effect based on whatever you sdee as needed or relating to the action with whatever name your brain has given it
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Post by muirrin on May 11, 2006 1:05:13 GMT -5
Not only did I understand that, but I agree with it too!
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Post by maroubraboy1 on May 11, 2006 2:41:27 GMT -5
hallo all,... what i am reffering to is the place or state of 'rainbow' there are some states that once achived are beyond naming. this state of rainbow is of such. within tibetain buddism this path is named 'dzogchen' it is a place that all mutured cultures strive to attain.
within our culture, i suppose a colour will suffice. though many indigos that i have travelled with, both learned off and taught, are of the understanding of what is enlightment, accension, ect, ect... is a place in front of you, the next day from you, the next child after you,ect, ect....
on another level i wanted to see who you called apon in time of need, also who knows anything close to something. i am back home in sydney for a month or two. i have just returned from a peace festival in New Zealand ( Parihaka2006), and i am off to London in june. i dont waste any of my life. id advise you all to follow suite.
time is ticking away if any of you understand.... go check out the worlds as they are still functioning on this plane. i assume that all of you are of and within the western world. i am never far away. come meet me. i will show you to a the nearest hostel. then go and backpack or jetset. i know many indigos, warriors, hippys, surfers, base jumpers,,,
Paving the way for you crystal children is well, a disign of birth. mmm,.. is being flamed in a forum fun?, walking the path isnt, its just consuming..... its ordinary.
i speak to you as awakened, here, now.
i mean no offence to anyone, though some of you have gifts, of most of you, some are still dependent of the old system.
i believe that on a spirital level you all go try to find yourselves around your neibourhood. this planet isnt that big. but there are are a hell of a lot of people to meet and places to go. .....for the love of life....me.
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Post by Caerai on May 11, 2006 5:44:53 GMT -5
Hm....there was a peace festivle in my country and I didn't know about it? That's really odd ;p. I mean I know of Parihaka personally I find when I go to anything with a strong Maori aire to it i'm alienated by my white skin. In order to talk to you about a 'state that is beyond naming' it technically doesn't exist, because a name in essence is a word, I could call this state "sfhdsfh" and it is now named, the state of 'sfhdsfh' which is an obtained state of enlightenment isn't beyond a name, I think what you're searching for is beyond comprehendsion. Because, after all, nothing is beyond attaching a meaningless word to it, and in turn the word creates it's meaning because of the action or state of what it is named after . I understand what you're saying, but a name is just a word that takes the form or sound of an object. Secondly saying that all 'matured' cultures try to obtain one state is kind of odd, perhaps you're right, but what people strive for in human nature is assurance. Though I agree with you, however i'm also of the mind that an 'indigo' doesn't always have to be the epitomy of all knowledge from here to the next eon. I understand enlightenment, and everything else, however my understanding is exactly what makes me wonder what on earth some people are on about. Now who do I call upon in times on need? Well, my Soul-mate who i've been with since I first came into existence (Give or take a few lifetimes ) As for checking out this entire 'cosmic balance' and the other worlds on this plane, firstly the balancing planets in order to this one seem to be just fine, as for the other planets each and every one will be at a different stage of developement, if you can hold information on a seemingly infinate number of planets at the same time, and compare and contrast these you're clearly not using any physical part of your body. Because the amount of data we're talking about processing is insane. But back to the state of the universe, there are a numnber of planets which maintain physical balance in this universe they are (Or the names I Know them by) Aques, Pyron, Terra, Airis, Solaris, now each grounds through it's opposite and each planet is on an opposite side of the sphere, I also feel i'm missing some, anyway all of the planets ground through Solaris, the planet of void (The spelling is off on that one) this planet is both void and existence, life psirit, whatever you want to call it. And we're not flaming you, we're talking to you. As we're comparing 'old' and 'new' systems, perhaps it isn't time for the general populas of existence to follow the 'new' system just because one person is. This is something I had to learn, and it's something I accept. Everything has a time, and in turn the time is never right for something to be revealed. I've worked in many 'systems' and many 'existences' and not just here, they're all d ifferent and there is no 'right' way, each way is exclusive to the indivual and the circumstance around their own personal existence creating an interaction which in turn causes balance iun it's own special way. It's always good to meet new people though. Though can it be my turn to ask a question... It's already obvious you've came here in hopes of guiding and teaching us, and i'm sure everyone here is open to that lesson, but why have you really came? Feel free to PM or e-mail me at black_mage_of_avalon@hotmail.com ^^. I am not flaming you i'm just curious.
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Post by waterjag on May 11, 2006 6:21:26 GMT -5
Alrighty then...
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Post by Sáille on May 11, 2006 7:18:30 GMT -5
That I live in the system doesn't mean that my soul lives in it too. ^-^ I'm already outside of the system in the physical sense in many ways and my soul has always been and will always be connected to the Source so I think that being inside the current system is nothing more than a state of mind for me.
Fact is that the only other system is not complete yet. We've got to build that. We are making different ripples in the water as we speak, and every new day is for me a day which can cause lots and lots of these healing ripples. Still I have the current system to consider when I want to do certain things. I have freed myself out of lots of shackles which tie me to the system, but I accept some other shackles because they are currently my only link to the physical realm.
I cannot afford it to follow my calling just yet. I am awakened, but that doesn't mean that I have no time left. I know of myself that I am a crystal when it comes to terms of how you call the higher vibrations. But that's not all of me. I am also still my body in the current system, and that is okay with me. Depending on the system is for me nothing more than the means I can use to get to where I should be.
As Cae already said... each individual experiences different things and walks down different roads. This is the balance.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on May 11, 2006 8:23:22 GMT -5
Wow! Lots of good discussion here.
Mar,
as Cae and others have said, just because one person follows a new system, does not mean that everyone else should or that they are ready too. Also, only the individual knows or will know when the time is right.
As Alth said, just because we live in the old system as physical bodies, does not mean our soul lives there too. I don't think my soul lives there as it will always be connected to my Source, whatever I or others like to call it.
Also, is being dependent atleast somewhat on the old system really so bad, especially if you are not ready to be in the new system yet?? Again, the new system is not complete yet, atleast not on a physical level. Everything will happen in the time that it is supposed to.
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Post by Radaerom eep nologin on May 11, 2006 9:44:03 GMT -5
My turn to be boggling o.o A name is basically something we use to label and explain another thing or event, if we change this name the event remains the same but the event becomes different. Things only seem like their name because your brain associates that thing to the name, for example you would have a hard time picturing a rose if it was a cabbage because you already know that it is not a cabbage it is a rose. So technically any rose called cabbage that you see will in turn be a rose with the name cabbage, not really changing itself or it's value in any way just making it possible for your brain to process an event action or item in order for you to take an action or effect based on whatever you sdee as needed or relating to the action with whatever name your brain has given it Exactly Words are the way of mental association with physical manifestation.. *Likes big words today ;D * Ie, recognition! AS a response to the paths of enlightenment.. I feel I am enlightened as I presently exist. When I look at these variations of vibrations in our vibrant settings [Alliteration is fun today too ], I can not say for definate whether I fit into any of them. Even so, I do not mind, as such, whether I am a Crystal Vibration or Indigo or such. The reason behind this is, I feel I have a highly creative mind, of great ability and intelligence. Ie, the reason I do not worry about vibrations is simply because I enjoy who I am, and recognise my own self-worth. [Whether intelligence is important in spiritual planes does not matter to me. I appreciate my own intelligence and it means a lot to me, even if it doesn't to anyone else.] My present state was arrived at via mental anguish, being in a state of solitude for six months . And that state was ended by what felt like.. All of my old habits, opinions, and entire lifestyle, evicted from my mind as a tenant from a house. I read something somewhere which described exactly how I feel. It said it was a bodyswap, or a soulswap, or a mindswap or something. Soul Switch it might've been. EITHER way, I literally became a different person, a much more "enlightened" person.
From this I reached my own conclusion, that we can each go through our own cycle of enlightenment in our lifetime, it doesn't necessarily rest on going through different generations. My opinion would be that that is a simple way for people to excuse themselves for continuing their own questionable ways.
However! I also concluded that some of us are simply fated to change. And can have that change thrust upon us with hard and fast pain, and then the "cocoon" period before emerging as the butterfly. Others may simply decide they want to change, and slowly but surely better their lifestlye. *Shrug*
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Post by pearldancer on May 11, 2006 9:52:57 GMT -5
[My present state was arrived at via mental anguish, being in a state of solitude for six months . And that state was ended by what felt like.. All of my old habits, opinions, and entire lifestyle, evicted from my mind as a tenant from a house. I read something somewhere which described exactly how I feel. It said it was a bodyswap, or a soulswap, or a mindswap or something. Soul Switch it might've been. EITHER way, I literally became a different person, a much more "enlightened" person.
From this I reached my own conclusion, that we can each go through our own cycle of enlightenment in our lifetime, it doesn't necessarily rest on going through different generations. My opinion would be that that is a simple way for people to excuse themselves for continuing their own questionable ways.
However! I also concluded that some of us are simply fated to change. And can have that change thrust upon us with hard and fast pain, and then the "cocoon" period before emerging as the butterfly. Others may simply decide they want to change, and slowly but surely better their lifestlye. *Shrug*Rad. . . I could not say it better. ... .though my period of isolation has been even longer . . . however from November last year to February this year I have completely transitioned. . . what is frustrating is that the old still exists in my physical reality. .. though I have emerged a new creature. There is a complete and total dichotomy at present between my physical reality and the true nature of everything I have become. None of it matters to me and it feels like walking through a world of death. I feel that soon this old will fall away and I can merge fully with all parts of the new existence as a butterfly!
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Post by radaeron on May 11, 2006 10:00:15 GMT -5
Hehe. I do know how you feel pearl. [Now whether this is down to the Re-Awakening to Life, as I think I'll now call it, or simply some rare deviation in perception] Every now and then I have looked at my arm, or my hand, and how it moves and thought "This is not my hand." But as time is going on it feels more like my own body. OOoo!! Interesting comparison! Perhaps when the mind hs changed, and our habits and such, it takes some time for the aura or something to shed the skin, like a lizard sheds its skin, and let the new skin shine. [Btw, I'm loving this thread *Glomps you all!* ]
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