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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Jun 9, 2005 11:35:59 GMT -5
I just want to share something that I realized lately - I could be wrong, but this is based off of observation and I believe it's true.
We all express our unique abilities through the use of a higher power - whether it be our own higher self, some god or goddess, the Light, or similar. We all, in our own forms, pray for guidance, strength, and help, and many times these prayers are answered in both subtle and not-so-subtle ways.
But I find that all the prayers I have ever sent to the Light (from where I draw my energy), with the exception of only a few, have been answered by strangers who just happen to have a mind and heart open enough to be influenced by its power. It is not a divine force answering my prayers, but rather a divine force working through an everyday human being to help guide me, let me grow, and help me through my troubles. So in a way, you can view it as part of our duty here on Earth is to be open to that influence, open to that little nudging feeling that guides you to a specific place and time, because the Light works through us to help one another. To guide us to become a united race and not the selfish, divided nations we have become today. By being open-minded, we are answering each other's prayers and hopes, and by keeping an open, loving heart we are allowing peace and serenity the chance to grow. If we can just approach every situation with love and understanding for the other person, and forgiveness in our hearts for our enemies, so much pain can be avoided and so many yet-to-be-answered prayers will be fulfilled.
We are the ones who inadvertantly answer each other's prayers - but only through keeping an open mind and open heart.
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Post by kate on Jun 14, 2005 20:29:47 GMT -5
What a beatiful thought. Such I rejoice in such wisdom. -Kate
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Post by kate on Jun 14, 2005 20:31:10 GMT -5
OHH, sorry for the extra "such"!
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Post by Laurel Chaisson on Jun 15, 2005 15:32:34 GMT -5
That's exactly it... "God" (by whatever name) uses us as instruments of love because we are creations made from love itself. Beautiful thought...
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Post by luz18 on Aug 25, 2005 20:11:08 GMT -5
That is a very beautiful message. Thank you crystal maiden! I also wanted to ask.... How do we know what Higher Power we are working with, besides our Higher Self? Maybe this question can't be answered and I have to find out by myself, but I was just curious. I do believe that what you have just said makes more sense than anything else I've heard. :-)
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Post by djgirlcherise on Aug 25, 2005 20:33:55 GMT -5
I feel that what you described is joy. Babies and animals give me intense faith that the divine force is tangible, and consistently random.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 26, 2005 10:39:37 GMT -5
Well, there is a God. I have felt him. But it's really a duality... it's like a yin yang. There is a female and male part of God, God is two halves that makes a whole - there's the female side who rules over Earth, she is the Emotion, the Mover, the one who makes things happen. She's been called Mother Mary, Diana, Hera, basically all the female goddesses or goddess figures that ruled our cultures until about 5000 years ago are actually worshipping her. That's what it means when you hear about the "Goddess" making a come back of late - for a long time man shut her out by trying to suppress women, not realizing that there is a goddess along with a god, they're just two halves of the same whole, two parts of the same overall unity of "God." Lately more and more are becoming aware of her and beginning to call on her again - I've done so and the results are very immediate. The Holy Spirit is the love they have for each other and us; we are tiny shards of God that broke off to "experience" for God because you cannot have ultimate knowledge without untlimate experience, and God can't incarnate into life. That's why we must do it for him to experience for his knowledge (and our own), and also perfect ourselves so we can become more Godlike. We are all living, walking, breathing mini Gods, if you want to think of it that way. We just aren't finished developing - and even fully developed, we won't become God, just Godlike.
So when you're worshiping a higher force or using one to draw power from, you're utlimately all drawing from the same source - God. No matter if you believe s/he's there, s/he is, and without them we'd have no "divine influence" to speak of. I tend to think of them both as "The Light" because that's the closest way to describe what I feel. Cherise - joy is a large part of it, so is love, but their love is so far beyond comprehension and imaginablility that every time I feel it clearly I break down into tears.
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Post by cherise on Aug 26, 2005 12:45:24 GMT -5
Maybe, joy is a notch above love.
A pure moment of joy encompasses all emotions instantaneously, including spiritual love, fear, happiness, disappointment, boredom, and excitement. In these random moments, all emotions cease except for joy. People throw the word "love" around like an old newspaper. The word "love" loses it's meaning when people use it to describe material objects. And, WE do it all the time. The word loses energy because we attach buying power to it's definition. However, the word joy is generally used much less frequently, and is rarely thought of by few people who use the word "love" on a daily basis. It comforts me to know that in all the emotions that have been sold back to us through the media, joy still remains mysteriously sacred and divine.
Maybe, your tears are joy.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 26, 2005 14:04:04 GMT -5
=) Don't mind if I disagree, for divine love surpasses any and all words. I'm sure my tears were of joy, but they were also of love, and love - the love that I've experienced - is what causes such joy to make me cry. If such love can cause such joy, then in my mind, it is greater.
But we're all individuals and what matters is that we all find our own personal truths. I'm glad you can experience such joy that makes you so fulfilled. ^_^
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Post by djgirlcherise on Aug 30, 2005 16:03:38 GMT -5
Hi Crystal Maiden,
My wish is for the general population to seek out joy in their lives because it's less understood and considered in daily thoughts. I hear a lot about love, from many suprising places, but very rarely do I hear people talking about joy. Joy is less bastardized, so it's refreshing to meet people who contemplate the meaning of the word and transcend it's human value. Love is innate, infinite, and the reason for everything. Therefore, joy could be our greatest earthly aspiration. Learning to recognize joy could be our ultimate Earth purpose as spirit in matter. I've always believed the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is the abyss, or the void of nothingness. At 33, I've experienced love, hate, and the abyss, but am only awakening now to the meditation of joy.
I'm certainly not saying one is greater than the other. I'm excited by joy, and would love to hear any and all experiences of it. Would love to hear your joy stories. Will you share?
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 30, 2005 22:28:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you meant by this, I thought you were comparing the two. ^_^ I completely agree that joy is an under-recognized emotion and should be widely more examined on it affect in human lives, and I do agree that with the advancement of the soul - which causes us to experience greater love - has the result of us experiencing greater joy. So it's all inherently intertwined, as you said, and all works together. =)
I think the greatest joy experience I've had (other than the day I realized God existed) was a day that I was sitting in my back yard. Two butterflies came and began to dance around me, I think they might have been trying to mate or something, but they did circles around me as I sat under a tree in my back yard and I just felt the most overwhelming sensation of peace and joy. It was such a small thing, yet so special, you know?
Also, there was this time I saw this kid leaning on a window pane in a fast food restaurant. He looked REALLY bored, the poor guy was maybe 6 and obviously didn't want to be there. I caught he attention when he looked up and waved at him, then gave him a big grin and mouthed to word "Smile!" His face lit up and he waved enerjectically at me, then he ran off for a second... then he returned to continue waving and smiling. The happiness I saw in him made me so warm and fuzzy inside - that was also a really cool moment.
What's something wonderfully joyous that's happened to you?
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Post by djgirlcherise on Aug 31, 2005 2:50:48 GMT -5
Hi Crystal Maiden,
Thanks for keeping the joy alive!
I really experience joy when learning catchphrases in other languages. Working in retail, one can meet people from all over the world. Sometimes, if I feel positive, I'll ask how to say basic things like thank-you. For instance, in Mandarin, it's xie xie. When I use what I've learned with strangers, it shortens the distance between differences in ethnicity. I feel honourable in my intentions to communicate. The response is a sense of community. It gives me joy!
Also, the animals! I smile at every one I see. The thing I love and appreciate most about animals is they are always exactly who they are. You never have to peel away any layers or masks to find out who they really are. They are pure instinct and capable of tangible love in all moments. I love them.
Although, I have to be honest. I suppose the opposite of joy would be sorrow. Sometimes, I cry when I think about how most animals are treated. I don't even want to go there.
This gives me an idea. Will you start a thread topic about joy? It would make me very happy to read more interpretations of joy. Especially, from the way cool people here. Looking forward to your responses. Sincerely, Cherise
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 31, 2005 2:59:04 GMT -5
I think I'll do that - it would be wonderful to hear all the positive stories everyone has to offer!
I think that's beautiful that you try to bridge the language gap by learning simple phrases in as many languages as you can - I would love to do the same. I always thought I'd be much more knowledgable if I had the basic knowledge of how each language was structured and interpretted, it would be much less overwhelming when I watch foreign films, heh.
Animals also bring me joy - and as time passes, I get more and more sensative to just how horribly we abuse them. I especially love dogs - I literally spent my childhood pretending I was one, lol. Thank you so much for sharing with me. ^_^
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Post by gemma on Aug 31, 2005 11:05:54 GMT -5
I have a feeling, I wanna share it with you.
Religion is a very powerful thing in this world. I am afraid that lot of people will use our being in order to create sects. I can see the signs of it. There will be mad priests of the new "Indigo religion". They will howling madly about "sacred fights" in order to "trace this errant world back to the beginnings" There will be symbols and rituals of the new Indigo religion.
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Post by gemma on Aug 31, 2005 11:08:16 GMT -5
When I read this, my first thought was: THIS IS THE TRUTH.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 31, 2005 12:08:38 GMT -5
Your intuition serves you well. ^_^ You should read the "Journey of the Soul Series" by Sylvia Browne, it talks a lot about that stuff.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 31, 2005 12:13:44 GMT -5
I too worry about that. I can see some righteous people taking the indigo thing too far and trying to recreate a religion. What we need is universal unity, not different religions all trying to be right - I feel that "religion" shouldn't even be a word, there should be spiritual fact and then scientific fact, no dogma. A new church just got started called Novus Spiritus which actually follows the true teachings of christ (it's a "spiritual" church, talks about spirit guides and the other side and incarnations and everything, it was actually started by Sylvia Browne) - for a while I considered joining, but Ii don't want to be part of a religion. I want to be part of a social group who believes what I do but don't have dogma. I have the funny feeling that two hundred years from now after Sylvia is dead and her church is still going, I think the exact same thing is going to happen that happened to Christianity. I'm sure back then everyone was sure that world peace and Utopia was on the way, too.
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Post by gemma on Aug 31, 2005 12:24:39 GMT -5
Your intuition serves you well. ^_^ You should read the "Journey of the Soul Series" by Sylvia Browne, it talks a lot about that stuff. This is because I'm not afraid anymore to use my abilities. Thank you. Later I'll try to answer your posts, but right now I have a horrible headache. I will use the "white-candle" to clean my mind.
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Post by gemma on Aug 31, 2005 15:47:36 GMT -5
I don't need any God. I don't like when someone means "God", because it means a white-bearded old man to me.
When I was a child, I always looked up the stars and I felt a divine present. I wouldn't call it God. I would call it the universe itself. From the smallest to the biggest, this is the universe, this is the world.
If God is perfect (now I mean the catholic God) then he is also unmerciful. Doesn't the evil coming from God itself? He created the angel which was fallen later and became the devil.
- God created the angels - an angel fell and became devil - doesn't that mean that God has the evil in himself?
Perfectness of God means to me that God has all the feelings and properties in equilibrium. He is merciful and unmerciful, he loves and hates.... but when all these feelings are in equilibrium, then God feels.... nothing at all.
I don't know from where this came but it has been long haunted me. I needed to write it down.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Aug 31, 2005 16:28:14 GMT -5
That's a very interesting take on God.
Personally, I don't believe any of that religious stuff about angels falling and things. The bible was all written in analogies, Christ even said it himself, all the bible is is a bunch of stories that are meant to teach us lessons, not be taken seriously word for word.
God is the universe to you because we are inside of God... God is everything... yes, s/he is conscious but it's a lot like all of us coming together and then imagine God as a hat you wear on the head - s/he's inherently part of everything, yet at the same time, an individual entity.
The God that I've experienced is nothing but love and wisdom. All anger, greed, and negativity stem from our own egos and are purely a human triat, to me that's one of the reasons why we all choose to advance ourselves - to be less susceptable to negativity. If God is perfect, then He is in perfect balance, and the way to achieve perfect balance is to exist for and from love.
I think what the beautiful thing is about spirituality is that we all have our own interpretations of God - I just highly doubt that anything religion has to say, except for a few very small things, is accurate - to me, it's always been a massive story compiled over centuries of trying to figure it out. Christians hold that Lucyfer fell from God and was sent to Hell and began a kingdom of darkness. Well, the very act of God judging us would throw God out of balance and out of perfection - so to me, Hell does not exist, it is rather a metaphore for a mental state that we create ourselves and put ourselves into. God sent Lucyfer, his brightest star, to watch over those who have turned from God and lost themselves to evil. I think souls are the only things that have a choice to either turn away or stay with God - I think all other beings of light, no matter how many emotions and human-like traits they experience, have no choice nor would ever even consider turning from the God force.
Back when I was full indigo and hadn't shifted yet, I hated the thought of God too because it conjured the ridiculous image of some giant beard in the sky. But in truth, God is how you feel it, Gemma - we exist inside of God, we are part of God, and no matter by what name it goes by, it is still God. =)
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Post by djgirlcherise on Aug 31, 2005 16:41:24 GMT -5
Hello Gemma,
First I want to ask:
1. What do you mean when you say "mad priests of the Indigo religion?" Can they get any more "mad" then the ones in power now?
2. What do you mean when you say "Sacred fights to trace this errant world back to it's beginnings?"
3. "Symbols and rituals?" Could this be old, lost knowledge?
I totally agree with Crystal Maiden; No dogma, just dogs!
Gemma, how come you got such a bad headache? Did you eat some food and it went away? Do you get them often? I wish for you to feel better. Looking forward to your response.
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Post by ne ws oci e ty on Aug 31, 2005 18:47:18 GMT -5
Gemma - there already are people taking advantage of the indigo thing unfortunately. One example I think was that dna upgrade website that someone posted, but I have seen others.
Also I think something similar is when people find their personal religion to be flawed and think spirituality and religion are the same thing, so then they naturally reject the whole concept of spirituality and the soul because their religion was wrong.
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Post by gemma on Sept 1, 2005 3:07:22 GMT -5
Hello Gemma, First I want to ask: 1. What do you mean when you say "mad priests of the Indigo religion?" Can they get any more "mad" then the ones in power now? 2. What do you mean when you say "Sacred fights to trace this errant world back to it's beginnings?" 3. "Symbols and rituals?" Could this be old, lost knowledge? I totally agree with Crystal Maiden; No dogma, just dogs! Gemma, how come you got such a bad headache? Did you eat some food and it went away? Do you get them often? I wish for you to feel better. Looking forward to your response. Oh, my headache... I get it almost every day but the candle helped, thanks I try to explain what I meant with my words. I'll do my best. It is hard to explain something when I cannot use my native tongue, so if you don't understand anything, forgive me please, and ask it again. Madness has no limits.... when I spoke about the priest and the "sacred fights" I was thinking on people who have enough charisma to lead a mass of people. - They will create sects. - They will be everywhere in the media: on television, in the press. - They will say such things as: "We are not afraid to die for our faith!" etc. - They will require power to rule schools. - They'll want to drill Indigo children (Soldiers of the Light) - When I spoke about symbols, I didn't mean the old symbols. No. They will create idiot new symbols, and rituals. Maybe I'm seeing the world in black... but here in Hungary already exists a forum, their leader is a liar. I felt it. I belonged there for a while. The first things was, that I needed to give them my real name. Of course I didn't gave them. And they wanted me to be open-hearted right from the start. They were speaking a lot of about God there were no real feelings, only sanctimonious posts. And their symbol was... waitaminute, I'll can show you perhaps.
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Post by gemma on Sept 1, 2005 3:11:46 GMT -5
This is the picture on the main site. If you don't click on the "Enter" the face of Jesus begins to drop tears.... If this is not madness... Later I'll translate the message of the forum-leader, and I'll put it in here.
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Post by gemma on Sept 1, 2005 3:31:08 GMT -5
The message of the forum leader: "My dearest friend The time has come for me to speak to you. Today I'm speaking to you through another else but tomorrow I'll call you through your soul. Remember this quote "My kingdom is not from this world" So all the People of the Light, all my Apostles do live in this world but they are not from here. A mysterious message tells to us: The creator and leader of the Universe made a plan to save our Earth, and the plan will be carried out by the chosen new generation, the Indigo children. The Hungarian will get a major role in this plan. The most of the Indigo children is born in Hungary! They will get the knowledge: They'll give back the ability of walking to the lame, they'll give back the ability of seeing to the blind! Their contrivances will save the people from the "thunderbolt", they will heal the "illness of mankind"! Doing by this, they will have self-esteem again, they will have back their lost faith, and our folk will be the "chosen one" again! They will get the first informations of the cancelled Armageddon (written in the Bible) and they will see that it is the sign of God's unconditional wisdom and love! Even the Bible itself will be changed!" What are you saying? If you are curious to see this site, I give the link. (Maya also knows Hungarian... maybe she will check upon my translate, if you ask her) www.indigogyerek.org/
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Sept 1, 2005 10:34:21 GMT -5
Even though I can't read the site, your translation makes me sick. It angers me too. The path to peace is to find equality, not continually try to be the "chosen people" of the world. All of the Muslims, Jews, and Christians are already convinced that they're the true holy people of the world, we don't need some fanatic trying to take advantage of both indigo children and people who can be bought into thinking their indigo children and therefore misled and used.
Perhaps, in the future, you can do something to right the wrongs in Hungary.
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Post by Kivawolfspeaker on Sept 1, 2005 10:46:16 GMT -5
Gemma,
Wow! Yeah, your translation makes me a bit mad. My first thought after reading the line about most indigo's being born in Hungary was "What the..?" We ALL are the "choosen people".
Kiva
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Post by Uriah on Sept 1, 2005 11:59:18 GMT -5
After reading that it just made me sigh. It's another obstacle that most be overcome. Why can't everyone understand: we are all people, we all come from god, we are all equal with our own individual talents. If God chooses a "choosen people" it separates us and the illusion of separation causes confrontation and eventually viloence which we all do not desire. It saddens me but I take faith in myself and others and know it can be overcome.
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Post by thecrystalmaiden on Sept 1, 2005 12:11:54 GMT -5
What I wonder is how can the person who created that site actually think that way? Sometimes people are so... clueless... not the right word but I'll be nice. =)
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Post by Uriah on Sept 1, 2005 12:23:20 GMT -5
I think we all feel lost no matter our vibration or aura. Most of humanity has lost that true connection with God which I am still discovering. They try to make sense of the world and when they find or hear of something that seems better than they were taught they grab on to it and put all there faith in it. What I think they forget about is how they have been conditioned by society. They may find something that may be "closer" but they still use many of the same behaviors and thought patterns which they were brought up in. I'll paraphrase Einstein: "The problems which we face today cannot be solved at the same level of thinking that created them." Step outside the box a little more and discover a little more.
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